Cultivating Fierce Serenity in Your Spiritual Body

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Hi, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of no

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halos here with Jen Lang and Jane Stark. And we're recording

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this on a Friday so I'm gonna wish you all happy Friday, no

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matter what day you're listening to this.

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Happy Friday morning and it's sunny here. I feel like

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we talk about the weather every time

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lately, but has been exceptional weather

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is like it's the topic out here on the West

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Coast. It is the topic du jour. Yeah, yeah. So anyways, we have

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some sun today. And that makes me

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really happy makes me really happy. Yeah, yesterday,

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it was six degrees. And it felt like

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1am raining sideways one in May, mid May.

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Just shocking. But the F. Anyway, moving past the

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weather today we are approaching our our sort of final topic in

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this series talking about first serenity. And we're talking

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about fear serenity in the spiritual body. So we've moved

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from the physical, mental, emotional, today we're hopping

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into the spiritual space. And kind of unpacked a bit of this

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topic yesterday. Where do you want to start with this? There's

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like, there's so many things floating around out. It's like

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where do we want to like just land first, maybe with a

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spiritual practice.

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Like talking about spiritual practice?

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Well, talking about what a spiritual practice is,

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and can be. I think so many people. So many people think

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that they're quote, unquote, not spiritual, because they don't

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have a spiritual practice.

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Yeah, you know what, let's talk about our journeys

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into what we would call our spiritual practices or

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spirituality. I think that might be an interesting kind of lead

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in because I also as reflecting on this and like what you just

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said about what it isn't isn't, I definitely have found over my

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last, however many years of this journey, it's definitely

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shifted, and I. So I think that would be really interesting to

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unpack a bit. So let's start there. You want me to start with

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what my journey is?

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I think, yeah, start with your journey. I think you

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may have heard some of this on some of the other episodes. But

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if you're just tuning in for the first time, grab a cup of tea,

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sit back, or walk, drive your car, whatever you're doing.

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Yeah, and I'm not gonna go into like he said, we

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have talked about it in a few different episodes. But I think

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the Coles notes are just, for me, it really, it's, it's

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actually been interesting because for me, it actually

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started in a similar way that we've structured your serenity

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in terms of for me, it started with my physical body and my

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physical health. And then I started diving into that. And

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then that led me into sort of some of the Mental Health

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pieces. And, you know, I started doing some therapy and some

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coaching. And then the coaching led me into the emotional body.

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And I started looking more at the somatic elements, and

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working with various coaches and healers. And that then, finally

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moved me into redefining spirituality or connecting and

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finding, I think, what spirituality was for me, and it

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shifted like, I definitely, you know, went through the phase

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where it was all about the mainstream spirituality and, you

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know, okay, the essential oils really spoke to me and crystals

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and, you know, meditation and just that there was this, Jen's

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got some noisy tracks in the background. If you hear her,

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come in and out, she's trying to trying to save your ears from

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the rumbling. So, yeah, really just like Bahding buying into

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this, what I'd say mainstream spirituality movement has sort

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of emerged. And you know, I definitely went through my phase

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of that. And now I'd say, I've shifted and moved into really

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coming more into myself, and what is it actually from me, and

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what do I need? And how does that look? And it's not that any

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of those things inherently are bad or whatever, but it

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definitely was an interesting journey to kind of go Why am I

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doing things this way or why? You know, what's where King in

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what's not like, Am I just going through the motions? So what

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conclusion like Like, like, like, Yeah, I'm at that time. So

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here's the thing I look back at. And at that there's a time and a

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place I had to be there, I had to go through that. And I still,

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I mean, I still have essential oils, and I still I don't use

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them as much as I used to. But I think that's also just there's

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seasons for things. And I think that that will also, you know,

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I've seen myself kind of come in and out, use some more, use them

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less. Yeah, connecting in with, you know, meditation, shifting

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things. So movement has become a bigger thing for me, like

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embodied movement is now something that I would say as

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part of my own spiritual practice, where it's really just

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about getting in my body.

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That is for a lot of people, though, too. Because

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even if you exercise, you can still be disconnected from your

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body, because you can still be quote, unquote, just going

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through the motions. And so this disengagement of when you're not

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using, or not engaging all of your senses, physical, mental,

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emotional, and spiritual, in the act of time, that's what being

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present is being fully engaged physically, mentally,

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emotionally and spiritually. So if we sort of bring that

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spirituality piece, I'll just sort of unpack it separately

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from the rest of those areas. If you're just going through the

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motions, then you're not getting the benefit of the actual thing

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you're practicing.

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Absolutely. And I think even one of the ways that

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I tied that in is, as I moved through, for me, as I moved

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through each of those four areas, it wasn't like, Okay, now

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I'm just into the mental body, or now I'm just into the

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spiritual body, all of those other pieces, elements of them

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were coming along with me. So, you know, when I was really

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focused on my physical health, I did a pretty drastic lifestyle

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overhaul and diet like not not diet, but like, just, I cleaned

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up my diet, I really, you know, started to pay attention to what

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foods my body was just not happy with and, and so that kind of

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carried through, and I think that's an element of

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spirituality too, right? Like, that's, again, it, it's like you

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say, for where I am now is, it's like, all of those things are

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great. And if they feel, you know, if the meditation if the

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music, if the journaling feels good, then that's what I need in

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that moment. But I don't need to stick to some sort of, like,

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some sort of image of what a spiritual person does or looks

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like or, and so, but you know, like, paying attention to what

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goes in my body. And that doesn't mean like, I'm not some,

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like, I eat, I eat all sorts of different things, right? There's

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chocolate, there's chips, there's stuff, but it's, but

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it's in moderation. And it's really connecting into care.

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What does my body want? What does my body need? And noticing,

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like, you know, when I eat high, high vegetable content, and low

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sugar, I feel better. And that, to me is a part of just being

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present, being aware of being like, that's the spirituality,

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that's the part where it actually like allows me to just

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be centered and grounded and open up.

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Awesome, sorry, my secondary monitor just went

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black. Just that I was like, Oh, that's weird. I don't know

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what's going on. But anyway, we'll figure it out later. Not a

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big deal. Um, I love what you were saying about how, like a

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spiritual practice can be just a part of your day to day

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activities. And so I think that you choose to eat is a now it's

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back. Oh, interesting. Okay, help us. A few flashing things.

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I'll look into that after we finished recording, you know,

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real life recording in real time squirrel. So the, yeah, I've met

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because I do have some people in my circle who are very, I'm

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going to say, extremely disciplined about the food, the

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water, the nutrients, the supplements that they put into

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their bodies. And that is a fundamental element of their

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spiritual practice and their their whole spiritual practice.

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And I'm personally like, again, it's kind of like you, do you

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there are times when absolutely I will do so little bit of light

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fasting or I will be my more mindful of what isn't isn't

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going into my body. And I sort of tie that into a whole

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experience. It might be like, Oh, I'd like to just sometimes I

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just don't feel like eating sometimes I'll just have a day

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where, you know, I've indulged. I've not indulged, but I you

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know, I've had heavy food the day before. Were and I was like,

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Well, I'm not really hungry, I'm not going to eat, it's kind of

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following those signals. So that when I do eat the spiritual

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practice piece, the being present with my food, and being

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present with the the experience of eating, that's bringing a

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spiritual practice into the act of eating.

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Yeah, I think like you say, it's, it's, for me,

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it's really become simplification and bringing it

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into the everyday bringing it into how I'm being. And

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bringing, I think being able to connect with I don't know, like,

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connect with my, with, I don't want to say with my higher self,

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but just with, with something bigger, something bigger than me

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and feeling that feeling that I am a part of something bigger.

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And whether that's literally a walk in nature, I think nature

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is another huge element of spiritual practice or

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spirituality, that, again, like some of these things, the

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interesting thing for me is, as I've started to really unpack

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this more and more, like, there are many people in my life that

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I think would not consider themselves spiritual, they would

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not use that term, but that I look, and I'm like, they

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absolutely have practices, or are, you know, you know, when we

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look at our everyday life that especially like I said, getting

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out into nature, like for me growing up, I never heard nature

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and spirituality is a synonymous thing. And now I look and I'm

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like, it's everywhere, it's everywhere. And, you know, when

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we look at what's in our need, for being in nature, our need to

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go out and like, be outside and be with the trees or go by the

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water or feed on the earth. That's all just that connection

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to something bigger than ourselves bigger than

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ourselves. Noisy truck alert, keep talking.

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So that was one of the things that I started to

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really, really look at. And then this whole idea of being in the

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now and the present moment. And really, I am definitely somebody

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who, you know, probably has a more, more propensity to go to

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an anxious type of person, which means I'm often living in the

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like future. And so that practice of really being able to

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bring myself back into the now. And really just being in the

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present moment. And letting go has been a really powerful piece

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as well, where I would consider that like, where I've come to

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now in my own journey around that is just, what can I

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surrender? What can I let go of reminding myself that I'm safe.

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So really stepping out of that, to come into the now just what's

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here and now is all there is.

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So your journey started with that physical

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piece, then explored the mental mindset, anxiety and the

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emotional piece sort of hand in hand with that. And then your

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spiritual pieces just sort of grown naturally from approaching

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each of those areas are more

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structured, like practice routine got up to more

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organic to more just it's part of how I live my everyday life.

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So I don't necessarily have a meditation practice that I sit

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down and do every day. You and I have a fairly consistent routine

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where we do meditate together, but even that we don't, it's not

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every day. It's most days. Yeah, Monday to Friday. But you know,

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whereas at one point in my life, I did literally every morning I

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sat down and I had, you know, a certain practice and I know you

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you do, right? Yeah, absolutely. You do. For me, I've been a like

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I've it's it started to feel restrictive. So I started to

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just let it go and look at how can I bring these elements into

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my into my life

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changes. So I

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you know, what, as you I would say that my spiritual

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path began with actually training in my healing

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modalities, doing my first Reiki training and doing my first Body

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Talk access training. I did both of those within a two month

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period. So I was really no sort of opening those doors. And then

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someone years ago, a family friend had given me these little

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angel cards, single word angel things like, you know, light or

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inspiration or courage, you know, all these little just

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single word and I'd had them for a while but I hadn't always

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looked at them. And so I just I would start my day with pulling

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three of those cards. And that then I started then I made a

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little altar with on a little IKEA shelf A basket that I

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turned upside down and put a little cloth on. And I would

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have my little angel cards there. And I would go through my

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body talk process, or I would try and sit and meditate. And

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then it sort of grew and expanded. And eventually, it

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really started took off when I moved overseas when I moved to

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Abu Dhabi. And I was looking for some new routines to ground

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myself into that location and that I didn't have a regular job

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to go to I was looking for work and doing business training. And

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I basically, yeah, it just grew and expanded naturally. From

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there. I think I did morning pages, I read the artists way

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and did morning pages, which I still miss actually, I kind of

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when I do do them. I'm like, Oh, I do

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it. Yes, I know it's on. But that's actually when I

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haven't done and I have both the book and the journal for the

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morning pages to go along with the artists way sitting in my

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office. And I keep I had

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the book for years before I actually opened it. So

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it's it's funny, like you buy the book and it sits there. But

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it really it really is a life changing book. It will you know,

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and for anybody who's who's looking for sort of a new

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direction or new inspiration or something completely different

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it is a very beautiful process. Anyway, so as that morning pages

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experience grew and then I just started through the business

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development journey business personal development journey, I

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started to bring in more, you know, card practices or writing,

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I always kept the angel card practice, but I would add to it.

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Interestingly, I bought my first tarot deck when I was 16

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is the town funny when we look back,

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but I never really played with that much. And I

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remember doing a reading for one of my sisters friends whom she

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probably would have been like 12 or 13 at the time and she's

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like, wow, this is so right. This is so right on and but I

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never really pursued it. So I've always had those like tendencies

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and leanings I've always been drawn to, I'm gonna say

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witchcraft, Wiccan practices, and part of that is sort of my

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Celtic I would say my Celtic, Celtic, Western European

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heritage. But now I really now interestingly, just recently,

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I've been diving into much more of a Celtic druidic witchcraft

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practice. I've always been interested in herbs. So I

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studied herbology, briefly herbalism with a friend of mine

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for a summer, so a little bit of essential oils. So it's kind of

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like my, my interest into health and healing has gone hand in

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hand with my spiritual practice development. And now it's just

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naturally grown and developed side by side. And so that, oh,

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my ears are super ringing. Right now. That's one of my things

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that that's one of my signals to myself that it's I'm talking

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about the right things, and I'm on the right path. And that that

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is where my expansion and growth lies. Yeah.

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Do you think so? It's interesting because both of

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us came to this journey. Like you said, your interest in

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health your and nature and herbs, and that kind of thing,

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is what brought you to it for me, it was my health journey,

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and my, just my, this deeper drive to heal myself physically,

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which then moved into like a sale, the other layers, but

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there was just this, for me there was this constant, there's

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gotta be there's something more here. There's something more

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here. I couldn't accept just that I was going to live in

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suffering.

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Yes, totally.

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So but I'm curious, like, you and I have had that

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experience. And that's what's drawn us to this. But not

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everyone has that experience, or not? Everyone needs to be

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interested in herbology and essential oils and crystals. So

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for people that like, you know, maybe you're like, yeah, that

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doesn't light me up. I wonder, your exam. Like, I wonder what,

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it's not that those people aren't spiritual or aren't

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gifted or whatnot. It's, so what is it? And how do we? I think,

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like, I guess, where I'm going, and even the thoughts that are

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coming in is, you know, we talk and I think this is some of the

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piece I'm really just riffing right now, this is just kind of

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dropping in and I'm trying to process it as it comes out. But

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you know, this idea that spirituality like I say, looks a

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certain way, or what mainstream spirituality is and and there's

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these people, there's these people, this group of us that

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are really drawn to these things. Yeah. And yet I look in

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it's like, like I say, like nature, finding the beauty in

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the ordinary moments. Like all of these things that we all can

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do. And I just wonder, we're so I mean, we know this that as a

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culture we're so separated right now from from each other, but

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also from mother nature from totally we're on our screens.

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We're not outside experiencing where we're rushing through our

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days, not slowing down to actually admire the bird in the

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tree or listen to the sounds of the birds or things like that.

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And I think, at its root, that's all we're talking about here,

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like we're talking about. I think that's an awareness. And

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I think that's, that's where that awareness. That's

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where the fear serenity, peace comes in, though, for people who

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are wanting something more who know that there's something

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more, but they don't necessarily know what, you know, they think

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they need to buy a crystal to feel better, and maybe a crystal

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does make them feel better. But what if it was just as simple as

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observing the birdsong on your morning walk? Yeah, that's gonna

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make it

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and this is the thing, this is the part that

Jane Stark: 00:20:39

gets me fired up to is this capitalism? Yes, duality, right?

Jane Stark: 00:20:44

Yes. And I think, and we're seeing this bubble up right now

Jane Stark: 00:20:47

to you. You brought up a post to my attention yesterday, on

Jane Stark: 00:20:52

Facebook, from somebody who's starting to kind of call out

Jane Stark: 00:20:55

some of these the oversimplification, I think we

Jane Stark: 00:20:59

would say,

Jen Lang: 00:20:59

of these tropes, or simplifying these spiritual

Jen Lang: 00:21:03

tropes in the broader, wider world.

Jane Stark: 00:21:08

And it doesn't, it doesn't make sense when you do

Jane Stark: 00:21:10

that it doesn't hurting

Jen Lang: 00:21:11

people, then Safley re, like an essay, dramatizing

Jen Lang: 00:21:16

them or hurting them or, you know, and it's becomes very

Jen Lang: 00:21:20

surface level, instead of actually, then people want to

Jen Lang: 00:21:23

bypass the actual work because they're like, Oh, I'm doing the

Jen Lang: 00:21:25

things like I'm doing all the practices, this is something we

Jen Lang: 00:21:27

talked about before, as well, is like you do all the practices

Jen Lang: 00:21:30

and you still feel like crap,

Jane Stark: 00:21:32

or because the oil and the crystal and the whatever

Jane Stark: 00:21:35

are not the thing that are going to actually help, like, they're

Jane Stark: 00:21:38

not going to magically make your suffering disappear or heal you

Jane Stark: 00:21:42

or whatnot. And that's the piece I think they might be the tool

Jane Stark: 00:21:47

in. So for me, definitely, it was a bit of a tool in Yeah, it

Jane Stark: 00:21:54

did not I, I have, I'm surrounded by essential oils,

Jane Stark: 00:21:58

they're not going to heal me. Like, let's be honest, but they

Jane Stark: 00:22:01

are my they are some of my tools into doing that deeper work. And

Jane Stark: 00:22:07

I was very open to doing it. I think, as you were talking about

Jane Stark: 00:22:11

some of your like for you, it really opened up when you

Jane Stark: 00:22:14

started to do your Reiki training. One of the things that

Jane Stark: 00:22:16

kind of popped in I was I was thinking how thinking like When

Jane Stark: 00:22:19

did mine like can I think of a time in my life when all of a

Jane Stark: 00:22:23

sudden the switch flipped? And one of I can't pinpoint the

Jane Stark: 00:22:27

exact time but years ago when I started working with my

Jane Stark: 00:22:29

Hypnotherapist. Yeah, that was a big one. And so I was open to

Jane Stark: 00:22:34

doing that work. But it was all of the pre stuff. But I guess

Jane Stark: 00:22:38

where I'm going is Yeah. When we look at this whole, capitalistic

Jane Stark: 00:22:44

world we have and how, again, spirituality has become this

Jane Stark: 00:22:48

thing that we can sell people, whether modified? Yeah, whether

Jane Stark: 00:22:52

it's through coaching, whether it's healing, whether it's

Jane Stark: 00:22:55

through crystals and journals and all the things like

Jen Lang: 00:23:00

so where do you think the fierce serenity is for the

Jen Lang: 00:23:04

practitioners, the coaches, and the sellers fees are of these?

Jane Stark: 00:23:14

So why do I think the spiritual sorry, the fear

Jane Stark: 00:23:16

surrender, the

Jen Lang: 00:23:16

fear of serenity is for them?

Jane Stark: 00:23:19

Well, let's put that back on us. Right, like salute.

Jane Stark: 00:23:22

We are in this space. We coach and we heal. We actually don't

Jane Stark: 00:23:27

heal people. We support people in doing their own

Jane Stark: 00:23:32

transformation and healing. But I think this is the work that

Jane Stark: 00:23:36

we're doing. We're like, not being it's the fragility, right,

Jane Stark: 00:23:40

like, Yeah, we actually are willing to turn the mirror and

Jane Stark: 00:23:42

look at ourselves and go, Oh, II Yeah. Where are we contributing

Jane Stark: 00:23:46

to this narrative? How are we perpetuating this? And is that

Jane Stark: 00:23:50

how we want to operate? And I think that's something that you

Jane Stark: 00:23:52

and I do we still not a lot, it's absolutely still unfolding.

Jane Stark: 00:23:57

And have we bought into some of these things. And have we

Jane Stark: 00:24:00

perpetuated? Yeah, I absolutely have. And this is part of my

Jane Stark: 00:24:06

integrity on this journey is to continue to look at this and to

Jane Stark: 00:24:09

continue to be able to question that and go, okay, like, Where

Jane Stark: 00:24:15

can I do better? How can I do better? And I think that is so

Jane Stark: 00:24:19

yeah, for for me, and I think for other practitioners, like

Jane Stark: 00:24:22

you were saying that is the fear of serenity, it's being willing

Jane Stark: 00:24:24

and able to look at where have we maybe been?

Jen Lang: 00:24:30

Where wherever you really bought into and where do

Jen Lang: 00:24:32

we still contribute to and perpetuate old paradigms or

Jen Lang: 00:24:40

around this work? Yeah. And then also, like you said, being

Jen Lang: 00:24:44

willing to turn the mirror on ourselves, on our practices on

Jen Lang: 00:24:48

our on what we offer, and go How can this be better? Or how can

Jen Lang: 00:24:53

this be more approachable or what needs to go? Ultimately,

Jen Lang: 00:24:59

we're still off operate within a capitalist system? But how can

Jen Lang: 00:25:03

we? How can we sort of have our own subversion of that, and yet

Jen Lang: 00:25:12

still, you know, feed our families and contribute to our

Jen Lang: 00:25:16

households? Yeah. And

Jane Stark: 00:25:17

I mean, I end the work we do change his lives.

Jane Stark: 00:25:22

Yes, exactly. So we're, you know, being in service, I think.

Jane Stark: 00:25:24

And that's, I guess that's the other piece, right is if we are

Jane Stark: 00:25:29

being in service in integrity to ourselves. That's why we're here

Jane Stark: 00:25:34

doing this. Yes. We all need to pay the bills, we all need to

Jane Stark: 00:25:37

feed our families, we are worthy of getting paid for using for,

Jane Stark: 00:25:43

you know, being able to offer what we do. But the minute it

Jane Stark: 00:25:48

becomes about the money, yes. We've lost the planet,

Jen Lang: 00:25:52

only about the money. Yes. Because I'm not sure what

Jen Lang: 00:25:56

your experience is. But whenever I work with a client, I grow as

Jen Lang: 00:26:03

well. Absolutely. And it's yes, it's, you know, but it's easy to

Jen Lang: 00:26:07

say that, but I reflect on every single conversation I have with

Jen Lang: 00:26:11

my clients afterwards, and the ones we see together. And it's

Jen Lang: 00:26:15

so it's such a beautiful girls process and expanded expansive

Jen Lang: 00:26:20

process for all of us. And that's where there's such a

Jen Lang: 00:26:24

beautiful exchange, I think, as well, it's not just about the

Jen Lang: 00:26:27

money, it's about bringing, guiding, and being a part of a

Jen Lang: 00:26:33

person's journey to their fullest potential, including our

Jen Lang: 00:26:36

own. Yeah, because if we didn't do that, then we would still be,

Jen Lang: 00:26:41

we still would be playing in that same thing, like I perfect

Jen Lang: 00:26:44

real life example. So I went back to karate last night to

Jen Lang: 00:26:47

teach and help with a grading. And I haven't put my GI on,

Jen Lang: 00:26:50

excuse me, I haven't been to karate since October. So it was

Jen Lang: 00:26:53

definitely, like, familiar. And yet, I knew my body would feel a

Jen Lang: 00:26:59

little sore today, and I got home and I had a foot bath last

Jen Lang: 00:27:02

night. But I was reflecting on the dog walk this morning, I was

Jen Lang: 00:27:05

like, Oh, my body feels more alive. And being in that

Jen Lang: 00:27:09

activity in that action. You know, it was a kids class. So it

Jen Lang: 00:27:13

wasn't tremendously strenuous for me, but I was still

Jen Lang: 00:27:15

demonstrating things and still helping with technique and the,

Jen Lang: 00:27:19

you know, still coaching on the yelling, and you know, those

Jen Lang: 00:27:22

kinds of pieces. And at the same time, it was such a beautiful

Jen Lang: 00:27:27

realization for me that, okay, this is what karate gives me.

Jen Lang: 00:27:31

And this is where the growth is for me, in terms of taking that

Jen Lang: 00:27:35

physical action. So as I take physical action, in the force or

Jen Lang: 00:27:40

action in the physical world, then that brings everything else

Jen Lang: 00:27:45

along with it.

Jane Stark: 00:27:47

Yeah, and I mean, it's that constantly shifting

Jane Stark: 00:27:50

energy to right, it allows you it allows the flow of, of

Jane Stark: 00:27:54

energy, and it's that constant learning that constant growth,

Jane Stark: 00:27:59

like you say,

Jen Lang: 00:28:00

Yes, and what I'm saying here, too, is that the

Jen Lang: 00:28:02

physical practice, physical spiritual practice, or the

Jen Lang: 00:28:05

spiritual physical practice, meaning, like whether it's you

Jen Lang: 00:28:09

use cards, or you do some journaling, the physical act of

Jen Lang: 00:28:13

working with spirit is what's going to bring you on the

Jen Lang: 00:28:16

journey to bigger expansion. Even if it feels a little bit at

Jen Lang: 00:28:21

first, like you're going through the motions, one day you will

Jen Lang: 00:28:24

find a level or something will happen or something will shift

Jen Lang: 00:28:27

or something will drop in. And it's, if it continues to feel

Jen Lang: 00:28:33

like you're just going through the actions, and there's

Jen Lang: 00:28:35

something underneath that, that wants to come forward that you

Jen Lang: 00:28:39

need to uncover and unpack. But that's where the bravery is. And

Jen Lang: 00:28:43

that's where the fierce serenity is to you being have to be

Jen Lang: 00:28:45

fierce enough first courage to dive into that thing. And then

Jen Lang: 00:28:51

that's the nugget of serenity that you'll find. Well, because,

Jane Stark: 00:28:55

yeah, I think it's definitely a practice of it's

Jane Stark: 00:28:59

vulnerable. Right? It's, it's really, truly being able to, to

Jane Stark: 00:29:04

look at ourselves in a different way and to be willing to, like

Jane Stark: 00:29:10

you say, die, like if it's feeling disconnected, what

Jane Stark: 00:29:13

what's there, it's being willing to excavate

Jen Lang: 00:29:17

and ask questions. You know, if you've had some, you

Jen Lang: 00:29:21

know, dreams, the dream space is such an interesting, you know,

Jen Lang: 00:29:25

and I personally have found my dreams have been gaining

Jen Lang: 00:29:28

intensity and detail over the past several years since I

Jen Lang: 00:29:31

started this spiritual practice. And for people who say to me,

Jen Lang: 00:29:35

Oh, I don't I never remember my dreams. And I'm like, we'll set

Jen Lang: 00:29:38

the intention to remember your dream and keep a journal beside

Jen Lang: 00:29:40

your bed and you'll start to remember your dreams. But the

Jen Lang: 00:29:43

physical act of putting the journal beside your bed in the

Jen Lang: 00:29:46

pan, that is the thing that will help you remember your dreams.

Jen Lang: 00:29:49

Yeah, that's a good example. Yeah. So many. Then you'll start

Jen Lang: 00:29:54

to the dream spaces where? What happens in your unconscious as

Jen Lang: 00:30:00

well as in I'm gonna say beyond your fit your day to day life

Jen Lang: 00:30:04

has a chance to process unfold. On there there is value in

Jen Lang: 00:30:10

making a note of that dream space.

Jane Stark: 00:30:13

Yeah, there's so many access points in, right.

Jane Stark: 00:30:16

Yeah. And again, if we come back to the simplification, one of

Jane Stark: 00:30:19

the other things that kind of spurred on this topic is I was

Jane Stark: 00:30:22

just, I just finished reading. It's an old book, but Sue Monk

Jane Stark: 00:30:26

Kidd wrote a book called The Dance of the Dissident Daughter,

Jane Stark: 00:30:30

which is her journey from Christianity to spirituality

Jane Stark: 00:30:34

slash sort of the sacred feminine, it's very much rooted

Jane Stark: 00:30:37

in her journey with the sacred feminine, but at the end of it,

Jane Stark: 00:30:40

I love what she says she breaks it down into sort of three

Jane Stark: 00:30:45

components. And she says, she calls it the spirituality of

Jane Stark: 00:30:47

naturalness. And she says, within that, a natural and

Jane Stark: 00:30:54

Feminine Spirituality tends to incorporate three very organic,

Jane Stark: 00:30:57

basic, but overlooked things into our sacred experience, the

Jane Stark: 00:31:01

earthly, the now and the ordinary. And she just breaks

Jane Stark: 00:31:05

those down right to the earthly, is like what we were talking

Jane Stark: 00:31:09

about, like our connection to nature, and actually feeling,

Jane Stark: 00:31:13

feeling into that though, like, you know, going and sitting by

Jane Stark: 00:31:16

the ocean, and listening to it, or feeling your feet in the sand

Jane Stark: 00:31:20

or putting your hand on the trunk of a tree, and starting to

Jane Stark: 00:31:23

like, really pay attention to what to the energy exchange and

Jane Stark: 00:31:27

flow there. And then the now, being in the moment, right, that

Jane Stark: 00:31:33

we hear so much like, oh, just be in the presence in the

Jane Stark: 00:31:36

present. But what does that actually mean? That was a big

Jane Stark: 00:31:38

one for me to unpack as well. And one of the quotes that she

Jane Stark: 00:31:43

that she quotes in her book is that you cannot step twice into

Jane Stark: 00:31:48

the same river for other waters are continually flowing on this

Jane Stark: 00:31:53

river is your life and it is different every moment. And I

Jane Stark: 00:31:55

love that. It's such a great quote, it's such a great quote

Jane Stark: 00:31:58

of being in the now and you just, every moment is different

Jane Stark: 00:32:02

and changing. And then the ordinary, like, all of these

Jane Stark: 00:32:04

things are things we've touched on, right, but the ordinary in

Jane Stark: 00:32:07

terms of just paying attention to how you go through a day, and

Jane Stark: 00:32:11

how

Jen Lang: 00:32:11

do you prepare your meal? Or how do you eat your

Jen Lang: 00:32:13

meal, that too, you know, where it's, I'm totally, I'm gonna say

Jen Lang: 00:32:18

guilty about because I don't really feel guilty about it. But

Jen Lang: 00:32:20

I have observed that when I prepare a meal, sometimes I'm in

Jen Lang: 00:32:24

a rush, and I'll chop the vegetables, I will put any

Jen Lang: 00:32:26

thought into it. And because I'm doing something else, or I'm got

Jen Lang: 00:32:29

three dishes on the go, and so I'm not really present with the

Jen Lang: 00:32:32

food, but I'm about to nourish my body with. But if I stopped

Jen Lang: 00:32:38

for a moment and really enjoy the process, and I actually love

Jen Lang: 00:32:41

preparing a meal, like I have a glass of wine, while I prepare

Jen Lang: 00:32:46

like a weekend meal. And, you know, I take care and preparing

Jen Lang: 00:32:50

the vegetables or putting a salad together, or making a soup

Jen Lang: 00:32:54

or a stew like I love making winter soups and stews, so all

Jen Lang: 00:32:57

of the elements that go into those into those foods. That's

Jen Lang: 00:33:03

the that's the now that's the that's the mundane, yeah, that's

Jen Lang: 00:33:07

where the origin is, is in the ordinary?

Jane Stark: 00:33:10

Exactly. Yeah, noticing where the light shines

Jane Stark: 00:33:13

in your window and the same space every day, or? Yeah, just

Jane Stark: 00:33:18

even I remember. I think it was another coach who I've worked

Jane Stark: 00:33:22

with in the past. Catherine Roscoe bar, she talks about

Jane Stark: 00:33:25

finding the pleasure in the ordinary, and I'll never forget

Jane Stark: 00:33:28

where she's like, you know, I'll do the dishes. And I'll put

Jane Stark: 00:33:31

music on like, yeah, and I'll just actually notice, like, my

Jane Stark: 00:33:36

hands in the water, cleaning the dishes, like, you know, we're

Jane Stark: 00:33:39

things that we kind of go, Oh, God, I gotta do the dishes or

Jane Stark: 00:33:42

like, the, you know, we've we've become so like, A, that's just a

Jane Stark: 00:33:47

task and it feels gross and good to debt to debt. But if we

Jane Stark: 00:33:51

actually slow down, and we're just like, hey, I'm here in the

Jane Stark: 00:33:55

moment, my hands are in warm, soapy water, you know, put some

Jane Stark: 00:33:59

music on. Maybe it's a space to just be like, Hey, I'm actually

Jane Stark: 00:34:03

just like, a lot of times, sometimes most of my best

Jane Stark: 00:34:06

thinking comes when I'm just at the sink, doing the dishes. And

Jane Stark: 00:34:09

that's that that's the ordinary, it's the everyday things. But

Jane Stark: 00:34:13

when we start to be able to do those things with awareness and

Jane Stark: 00:34:16

feeling into our body and just slowing down and doing them,

Jane Stark: 00:34:19

they shift.

Jen Lang: 00:34:21

Yeah, rather than getting through them. Exactly.

Jen Lang: 00:34:24

Which, you know, that's totally different in a lot of my life,

Jen Lang: 00:34:26

that I used to live a lot of my life getting, I just have to get

Jen Lang: 00:34:29

through this, I just had to move through this. I have to I just

Jen Lang: 00:34:31

have to get here. And you can even probably hear the energy of

Jen Lang: 00:34:35

that phrase in my voice and the way I'm speaking. So if if you

Jen Lang: 00:34:39

are catching yourself, in that I just have to get through this

Jen Lang: 00:34:43

mindset or way of being then I think I encourage you to look at

Jen Lang: 00:34:51

a way of being more present in the now and start with the

Jen Lang: 00:34:55

sensations of how something feels. So if it's if you're

Jen Lang: 00:35:01

Walking the dog or outside walking, how does the air smell?

Jen Lang: 00:35:05

Or maybe you don't, maybe you got allergies and so you can't

Jen Lang: 00:35:08

enjoy the air. But maybe you can, you know, touch a tree as

Jen Lang: 00:35:12

you walk past or notice the roughness of the bark and start

Jen Lang: 00:35:16

to notice the natural world around you. And I think that is

Jen Lang: 00:35:19

a really lovely way to start to step into a spiritual practice.

Jen Lang: 00:35:25

That isn't a prescribed,

Unknown: 00:35:29

yeah. Whoo, whoo.

Jen Lang: 00:35:32

Meditate with your crystals type of spiritual

Jen Lang: 00:35:34

practice. Yeah, that might feel uncomfortable for you. So then

Jen Lang: 00:35:40

start with what's start finding the spiritual in the familiar

Jen Lang: 00:35:43

and the now.

Jane Stark: 00:35:46

Yeah, and expand it.

Jen Lang: 00:35:48

The shower,

Unknown: 00:35:50

washing your hands water, right. Yeah, water is so

Unknown: 00:35:53

good. Like, definitely. So good.

Jane Stark: 00:35:57

I know, for me, my my challenge is, I still noticed

Jane Stark: 00:36:00

that I love to do a lot of those things with something in my

Jane Stark: 00:36:03

ears. Often now podcasts because that's that want for perpetual

Jane Stark: 00:36:07

learning and growth and whatnot. And it's actually a challenge

Jane Stark: 00:36:12

for me to have a bath without being like, Oh, listen to a

Jane Stark: 00:36:15

podcast, we'll catch up on this. We're going for a walk. And so

Jane Stark: 00:36:18

that's one of my things where I'm sort of thinking, Okay, what

Jane Stark: 00:36:22

if I started walking the dog with nothing in my ears? So I

Jane Stark: 00:36:25

could just actually be more present and notice what's

Jane Stark: 00:36:29

happening, or what if I just sat in the bathroom was with myself.

Jane Stark: 00:36:32

A lot of it is really just about being able to be with ourselves.

Jane Stark: 00:36:36

And for many of us, myself included, that was really,

Jane Stark: 00:36:41

really hard. I believe now I've I've moved through that. And I

Jane Stark: 00:36:45

actually love being with myself. But even still, like I just

Jane Stark: 00:36:48

shared how I also love to put these things in my ears. And

Jane Stark: 00:36:51

that's still a distraction from being with myself.

Jen Lang: 00:36:55

Yeah, so like to eat and read a book or eaten. Yeah,

Jen Lang: 00:36:58

watch a snippet of a show. But the other day, I was like, Okay,

Jen Lang: 00:37:01

well, what if I were to eat and not watch, watch or listen or

Jen Lang: 00:37:04

read anything? And

Jane Stark: 00:37:07

it's actually pretty hard in our candidate. Yeah.

Jane Stark: 00:37:11

Yeah. So again, sometimes I do it driving, I actually find I'll

Jane Stark: 00:37:15

consciously sometimes I find that actually a place where I've

Jane Stark: 00:37:19

started to turn off. Because again, I love listening to a

Jane Stark: 00:37:22

podcast or something. But I've started to make the conscious

Jane Stark: 00:37:24

effort of what if I just put nothing on and I just

Jen Lang: 00:37:26

dropped off? Yeah, that's a nice feeling. I do that

Jen Lang: 00:37:29

sometimes. I think we've covered most of it. This is kind of like

Jen Lang: 00:37:33

fear serenity in the spiritual body. It's like as multiple

Jen Lang: 00:37:36

spiritual practice kind of guidance, ideas drop into

Jen Lang: 00:37:43

whatever feels easy for you to start with. If you don't

Jen Lang: 00:37:47

currently have a spiritual practice Janie's Got one more

Jen Lang: 00:37:49

than

Jane Stark: 00:37:49

just one more thing that's just dropped in here is

Jane Stark: 00:37:51

play. Oh, yeah. It's like, it's, it's fun once you kind of, and

Jane Stark: 00:37:57

once you start to tap in, and you start to notice little

Jane Stark: 00:37:59

things, like, play in it, and don't, it doesn't have to be so

Jane Stark: 00:38:03

serious, totally something that I was taught through some of my

Jane Stark: 00:38:07

trainings as well, one of my teachers is very much about

Jane Stark: 00:38:10

that. She's like, just start playing with your intuition.

Jane Stark: 00:38:13

Just, you know, and it's okay to be wrong, like, but start to

Jane Stark: 00:38:18

like, play little games or notice things and, and it does,

Jane Stark: 00:38:21

it becomes like, Oh, that's fun. Like, you know, putting out

Jane Stark: 00:38:25

little asks, or just noticing when I'm like, huh, I gotta, I

Jane Stark: 00:38:31

gotta ledge on that. And then that happened. But again, so

Jane Stark: 00:38:34

often when we aren't aware, or we're not slowing down, we miss

Jane Stark: 00:38:38

all of those little right? It's just, it's right there in

Jen Lang: 00:38:42

front of us think it's hilarious that as you were

Jen Lang: 00:38:44

telling me that to play. I got hiccups. So yeah, I might have a

Jen Lang: 00:38:50

couple of hiccups before we wrap up here. But

Jane Stark: 00:38:53

yeah, that's funny. Well, I think we can wrap it

Jane Stark: 00:38:56

there that we can. That's kind of where they the wrap of our

Jane Stark: 00:39:00

fear serenity series of just kind of touching on these four

Jane Stark: 00:39:03

areas, we go into much more depth in our fear serenity

Jane Stark: 00:39:08

program, which is launching in September for our second cohort.

Jane Stark: 00:39:12

And that's actually where we facilitate the play, right,

Jane Stark: 00:39:16

where we take these concepts. And yeah, and give ourselves

Jane Stark: 00:39:20

space to play and to explore and to experience. So if that's

Jane Stark: 00:39:25

something that sounds interesting to you, links are in

Jane Stark: 00:39:27

the show notes, waitlist, and actually, you can sign up now.

Jane Stark: 00:39:32

Drew when started in September, and between now and then we're

Jane Stark: 00:39:38

going to be hosting some workshops and some other

Jane Stark: 00:39:41

immersive experiences like some beautiful sound journeys with

Jane Stark: 00:39:44

Jen that you can experience to just kind of come and start to

Jane Stark: 00:39:49

dabble. Yeah, all of that info will be in the show notes. You

Jane Stark: 00:39:53

can also follow us on social at we are Jen and Jane, and

Jane Stark: 00:39:57

synaptic or our love no It's Instagram and Facebook and our

Jane Stark: 00:40:03

debt our love notes. That's where you'll get all the

Jane Stark: 00:40:06

information.

Jen Lang: 00:40:06

Yeah, if you sign up for our love letters love no

Jen Lang: 00:40:08

love notes list. Yeah, love letters.

Jane Stark: 00:40:11

I don't know why I got love notes. Okay, sorry your

Jane Stark: 00:40:13

hiccups are distracting me.

Jen Lang: 00:40:14

I guess they are distracting. So this is a good

Jen Lang: 00:40:17

time to wrap up there. We'll leave the links in the show

Jen Lang: 00:40:19

notes. Thanks for joining us today for this exploration of

Jen Lang: 00:40:22

spirituality, the spiritual body and for your serenity. Have fun

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