From NLP to NDEs with Adele Anderson, Part 1 of 2

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Hi, everybody, and welcome back to another episode

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of no halos here with Jen Lang and Jane Stark. Today we have a

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really fascinating and well rounded, I don't know,

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experienced guest, her name is Adele Anderson, and she is both

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an NLP practitioner. And I'm gonna say a brain science

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enthusiast, it's probably a nice way to describe it. And I'm

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actually going to hand it off to her to tell us a little bit

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about her brief introduction about how she operates in the

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world. And then we're going to dive into her NLP journey neural

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and Gristick programming and she's going to explain lots

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about it. And then this is a two parter episode. So today, you're

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gonna hear about the NLP and a lot of the brain science pieces.

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And then next week, you'll tune in and we'll hear about some of

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her story and some of those the other ways that NLP and an ND

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and near death experience has framed and shaped her life. So

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welcome, Adele. Nice to have you here.

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Yeah, it's so nice to spend some time with

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you, ladies. For today's talk,

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yeah, we're super excited about this. So tell us

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tell us who you are.

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Okay, well, my name is Adele Anderson and I am

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an NLP trainers. So I can train other practitioners how to

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become an NLP practitioner. So NLP stands for Neuro Linguistic

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Programming. And it was developed in the 70s by a group

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of linguistics psychologists, neurologists, system study

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people in cybernetic people. So it's a combination of a lot of

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Sciences. But what it basically says to us is the blank, the

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brain is malleable. So the things that we have going on in

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our head, if they're not serving us, we can change it. And we

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know that even though we talk about the brain, and we think,

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Oh, this has to be really complex, it's actually not, the

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brain is pretty simple, if we know how it functions and why it

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does what it does. And so we can move into things as easy as

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choice. In our subconscious brain, the only purpose of our

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brain is to keep us alive physiologically. So this is

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where the fallacy of only we only use 10% of our brain,

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rather than we're only aware of using 10% of our brain, the rest

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of its dealing with our you know, our heart rate, our

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respiration, our body temperature, metabolism, and all

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those other amazing cellular functions that we don't have to

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think about. And the other thing that it's responsible for is to

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be the best cheerleader that will ever have. It believes us

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100%. So this is why these old sayings of whether we can or

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whether we can't, both her right,

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yeah, very, very important. Thank you, that is a

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great start to what we're getting into. So my dogs very

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excited in the background. That's okay, she'll settle down.

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So when we, when would people use NLP for their day to day

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lives, I think that's probably a good place to start.

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NLP can be used in pretty much all professions,

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because it's really based in language and communication. So

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not just the mind science of being able to up level or shift

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or change or neutralize and emotional entanglement. But it's

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really understanding how people communicate and why they say the

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things that they say. So we learn how to build rapport

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quickly report means that someone else trusts us. And this

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is the engagement that we have not only in business, but as

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friends and as parents interacting with anybody. So if

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we understand that everyone has their unique style, so we get

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into the learning of what's called representational systems,

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so how people download their environment, how they download

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their experience of the world, comes through their senses. So

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what they see smell, taste, hear, feel emotionally in

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kinesthetically. And then that gets into the brain. It gets

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reorganized, moves through our belief systems to get settled in

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there and then we spit it back out as length Good story. And we

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tell our story in a certain way, based on three out of five of

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those being more primary senses. So for example, you pick up the

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phone with your best friend, and you start to talk. And she says,

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I see what you're saying, well, she could be a visual thinker,

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someone else might say, I get that. So they're kinesthetic

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thinker, or someone I hear what you're saying. And so an

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auditory thinker. And why this is important, is we kind of have

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all had the experience where we meet some people, and we really

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sink with them. And other people, it seems like oil and

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water, and your best friend will say to you, we'll give it a

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chance, once you get to know her, you're going to love her.

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But at the beginning, it kind of feels sticky. Well, it's because

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they're speaking a different lingo than us. So if we're a

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visual, auditory kinesthetic thinker, maybe there gustatory

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Oh factor, three, kinesthetic thinker. And when we start to

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shift out the words that we use to tell every every story that

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we're having, and use some of the words that really penetrate

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into their brain naturally, so they don't, there's no

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resistance to them, then we have greater conversations. And then

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we can move into more that what's called the metamodel. And

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the meta systems, we all have eight decision making processes

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that are happening for every single thing that we decide to

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do, whether it's, you know, the socks that we're wearing this

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morning, or, or the conversation that we're about to have, and

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understanding how these function really, really great for

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parents. Because for example, if you have some people, there's

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one, one of the metamodels is called matched or mismatched. So

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if you can think that 50% of the world is matched, and I'll

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explain what that means, and the other half are mismatched. So

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when you're talking about matched, you're talking about

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similarities. So people will say, Oh, that looks the same to

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me as such and such. So their brain is defining, or comparing

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something that they already know something about, to something

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that might be new. And that's how their brain correlates that

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information and make sense of it. But what happens if your

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child downloads information of the world, on comparing

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differences? So that's different from that. So that's why it

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makes sense to me. So when we're communicating with someone in

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our language, naturally, I'm a difference thinker. So I'll

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you'll you'll just see it come out in the language, I'll say,

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well, that's different than such and such. And then you'll know

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that that'll give you a clue how you respond to somebody, if you

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want to get a point across or you want to bypass the

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resistance of your child's neocortex that always has a

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better and better way of doing it always wants to argue and use

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the subconscious brains well way of communicating, because this

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just means that we're where we are syncing with their brain.

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And so therefore, the information goes in without

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resistance, we're coming from a different brain and communicate

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gives us different results. So we can go through a bunch of the

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different metamodels. But that that's the essence of it is to

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start to look for these clues in how people are actually using

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their language, because nothing is by chance.

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Right? It's the programming, it's

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the programming. I have a question, but I think

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jeans, no, go ahead. Question. So a couple go, Okay, I'm gonna

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hop in first. So is this something that is learned and

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conditioned from upbringing? Or is it genuinely the way that

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someone's brain functions from from setup a question or a bit

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of both,

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there's a bit of both. So for example, a team

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player versus someone who's an independent player, it could be

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it could depend on what the circumstance is, some people can

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flow between that. But you may know a child that just would not

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ever be comfortable in a team sport. And you can try to put

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them on the soccer team, but they just don't want it. They

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want on the chess team. They want to be one on one with

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someone. And so this is this is part of their personality. So

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you kind of recognize the metamodel as part of their

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personality. And then again, there's some camps will grow

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into through time thinkers, but there's another metamodel that's

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called in time or through time, so in time are very spontaneous.

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So we see this in young children. They don't really see

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the consequence yet, and this is why cheap children and teenagers

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make riskier decisions than adults, because we simply had

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more consequence

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variances of course, Once

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you figure out a hot snow, this is going to

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happen,

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I'm going to eat that whole bag of chips, and then the

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next day, I'll be really sad.

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So do that every day in my household.

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In time, kids are going to be at higher risk

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takers, and they're not going to necessarily see the consequence.

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So I always say, if you're an in time thinker, think about being

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dropped in downtown Vancouver where the sky rises are all

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around you. Or even better. How about Hong Kong, if you don't

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speak Mandarin, so you can't read the signs, you can't speak

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the language and you don't know where your hotel is. That's a

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spontaneous person, right? A through time person think of

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them as being on the top of the mountain, the top of Mount

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Everest, and they can see north, south, east or west, they see

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the trail that got them to the peak. They know how they got

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there. And they all also can see how they're going to go down the

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mountain. So they're there through time.

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So I I get that. And again, is this something that is

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like conditioned? Or is this Is it something sort of the

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develops from an early from basically from in utero, and

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then they have maybe have a tendency towards one or the

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other. And that tendency then crowds out the lesser? Is that

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Is that an accurate description of how that might

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work? So some of them, I believe, are just

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innate, just right to themselves. But there are a few

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that can be learned, like the team player versus the

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individual thinker, you know, a CEO versus a, you know, an

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accountant versus a CEO, someone who sees the global picture

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versus someone that wants to cross the t's and dot the eyes.

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So we can become experts in different ways, depending on our

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environment and our conditioning. And in time, and

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through time to can, we can offer those differences, but

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we're going to see certain age groups going to be more in time,

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like young children, they don't have that ability to know how

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they got to today, and what's going to happen this afternoon.

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So that consequence part of it the consequence of choice, which

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cannot be removed. Like I'm going to show you a pen here

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with a cap on it. And every choice has consequence, right?

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So when children understand through metaphor, which is

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subconscious brain process, these are ways to tell your

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child or show your child a lot of information. And they will

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understand it easier if you put it into a metaphor. I'm using

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this pen with a cap to say, Okay, you're making a choice,

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remember that it has to have a consequence. And so this is the

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complete thing of what's going to happen when you make a

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choice. So again, you know, understanding maybe different

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age groups, different parts of the metamodel are more likely to

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be in play. And other ones we learn what our child or what our

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business associates metamodel is by asking questions, and then

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seeing how the answers unfold.

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Okay, so I'm curious with all of that, where does

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belief work? And our conditioning come into play with

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all of this?

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Yeah. So consider those rose colored

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glasses. Okay. Yeah, so your belief systems rise up. And, and

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they're, they're developing in the fundamental years, if we

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look at evolutionary psychology, you know, a newborn to about two

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is safety, survival and security. And so this is if a

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child gets left in the crib way too long. And they feel like no

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one's going to come and nurture them, no one's going to come and

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feed them change their diaper, then they could sort of develop

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an insecurity there. And then from two to 10, we go into love

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and belonging. So this is when you know, we're surrounded by

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people that typically look like us and speak the same language

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depending on the diversity of the family. So these are their

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first the SMM comes into play, which is a very fun, fundamental

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primal part of our brain of separation. And then when they

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become teenagers, you you come into self esteem and self worth.

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So these fundamental parts of our development is where we get

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the baggage. No deficiencies, and they will show up in

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different ways. So somebody who has a deficiency, I know it's

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not a friendly word, but it's not such a big deal. Just

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awareness of where it comes like what age group it shows up in.

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So for example, somebody has an issue around money. Well, it can

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be a safety survival security issue. So knowing where the work

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where the environment system for that to come into their

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psychology So then we always look at the, the environment for

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the starting point of the work. And, you know, if it's issues

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with relationships and, you know, feeling that part of, Am I

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do I belong? Do I belong with it with a certain tribe that came

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in, you know, from two to 10. So we know that those issues, and

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left and left unchecked, these are the kids that join cults

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that join gangs, gangs are actually extremely sophisticated

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in their psychology, they understand the need for love and

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belonging, and love, and belonging doesn't necessarily

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always have to be a friendly thing. But belongingness, they

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will find a tribe that will make them feel like they belong. And

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so to understand how this comes apart, and then of course, self

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esteem and self worth, we work on that our whole life. already

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does. Yeah. And so we understand that at some point, we became

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wounded. Mm hmm. That for whatever reason, you know,

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unintentionally, or, or otherwise, we felt not good

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enough, at some point in that teenage to, you know, early 20s.

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And our brain is still developing. So, you know, we, we

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still have a developing brain tumor about 25, that neocortex,

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which is, you know, the big thinker is still coming into

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play. So, a lot of this stuff is really happening through

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development. So then we have a lot of errors that can show up.

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But but now we know we can correct those errors.

Jane Stark: 00:16:40

So if we're, can you take us through kind of what an

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NLP process looks like, in one of those examples of say, the

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self worth or self esteem? Like you said, you identify that

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somewhere there was wounding in that teenage to 20s time? How

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does NLP then work with that?

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Yeah. So someone will come in and, and I'm

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analyzing the language. So the first thing I do is I want to, I

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run about 30 minutes in the first session to find out how

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their brain manages. So I'll run through the metamodel. So I'll

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ask questions. And then I'll, you know, I'll show them, say

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three different types of pens, maybe a marker, maybe a clicky.

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Pen, and maybe a pen that has a lid on it, and ask them, Are

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these similar? Or are they different? So I'll begin to

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gather the data of how their brain processes information, I

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will ask them about their favorite things in three

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different categories. So with friends with work, maybe with a

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hobby, so what things do you love, and they'll begin to show

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me their signature language. So the 20 most common words that we

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use to describe our world, and we can get into that, because

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it's quite fascinating. Really, it really shows our mindset and

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whether we're leading in the in the direction of fear and

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depression, versus positivity and growth.

Jane Stark: 00:18:02

Okay,

Adele Anderson: 00:18:02

so when we, when we look at and get this

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fundamental information, then, of course, the representational

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system. So are they using more visual words? Are they using

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more kinesthetic words, auditory, those are the three

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primary ones. And, and then I have like a little worksheet

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that I just keep on my desk, that gives me probably 100 words

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that I can interchange. So I want to make sure that I'm

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including all the representational systems when

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I'm communicating, but more so I want to include more words that

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represent their brain. So for example, we haven't used a lot

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of auditory words today. So I might start saying, well, let's

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tune into this. Or maybe we can, you know, sync with that, or I

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can hear the, you know, the tone and in in this meaning, so that

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we bring in some auditory words, so that those people that are in

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that type of thinking zone will start to feel like okay, she's,

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she's talking to me. So these are the things that I need to

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know before I can do the work. Right, and then we move into a

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process that is typically, you know, a different brainwave, so

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I'm changing their breath, slowing down their breath, so

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that we're changing the brainwaves that is associated

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with relaxation, and then moving into a visual type of process.

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And using something that's called anchoring. So we can we

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can talk about all of those different foods,

Jen Lang: 00:19:34

we could talk for hours, I think there's like so

Jen Lang: 00:19:36

many, like we were gonna try, we're gonna do two episodes

Jen Lang: 00:19:40

about there's just so much so many different areas to, to tap

Jen Lang: 00:19:44

into, and to tune into here. Okay, I mean,

Jane Stark: 00:19:48

I have a thought or a question a lot of our audience

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and the women that Jen and I work with, struggle with the

Jane Stark: 00:19:56

overwhelm anxiety, I mean, and that's all just grow Right now,

Jane Stark: 00:20:00

right based on the world that we're living stuck, yeah being

Jane Stark: 00:20:03

stuck in their life? How? How would you or how do you work

Jane Stark: 00:20:07

with clients? In the in that kind of space? Especially and

Jane Stark: 00:20:12

I'm it's women of, you know, I'd say sort of 30 to 55 mins

Jen Lang: 00:20:20

rod Yeah, quite a broad age, age range. Yeah,

Jen Lang: 00:20:23

definitely.

Jane Stark: 00:20:24

Yeah, do you have thoughts or experience or even

Jane Stark: 00:20:27

talking to, to that sort of just the low level anxiety that we're

Jane Stark: 00:20:33

living with?

Adele Anderson: 00:20:33

Yeah, everyday level anxiety. So understand

Adele Anderson: 00:20:37

understanding that thoughts and emotions are simply energy. And

Adele Anderson: 00:20:42

you know, the when we start to label something that it, you

Adele Anderson: 00:20:45

know, it's in the brain. But I'd like you to just sort of think

Adele Anderson: 00:20:49

right now and say inside your brain find find anxiety, like

Adele Anderson: 00:20:54

your brain can't really pinpoint it. Yeah, because anxiety is

Adele Anderson: 00:20:58

simply a word that we've given a bunch of sensations in our body,

Adele Anderson: 00:21:02

right. So if, when I'm moving through a process, what, what I

Adele Anderson: 00:21:07

will do is we'll, we'll bring up something that's bothering them

Adele Anderson: 00:21:11

so that the state is arisen in their body. And if it's too

Adele Anderson: 00:21:15

heightened, then we can do it in what's called a disassociation

Adele Anderson: 00:21:18

way. So I'd like to think about yourself sitting in your office

Adele Anderson: 00:21:22

today, feeling anxious. So again, that disassociation of

Adele Anderson: 00:21:27

just thinking about yourself, somewhere is outside of

Adele Anderson: 00:21:31

yourself. So again, we're putting up this shield, we can

Adele Anderson: 00:21:34

use a movie theater as a as a buffer. So pretend that you're

Adele Anderson: 00:21:38

in a movie theater, you're the only one sitting there and

Adele Anderson: 00:21:42

you're up on the stage, or it's a movie about your life that's

Adele Anderson: 00:21:45

about to play. And if even if that is too tender, then we can

Adele Anderson: 00:21:50

put you into the projection booth where you have all the

Adele Anderson: 00:21:53

dials to tune down the sound or shade out the the focus, and

Adele Anderson: 00:21:59

have yourself looking at yourself sitting in the movie

Adele Anderson: 00:22:02

theater, watching yourself up on the screen. So that's a double

Adele Anderson: 00:22:05

disassociation. And we use that for fear, the double

Adele Anderson: 00:22:09

disassociation that's a very common process. In in that way,

Adele Anderson: 00:22:15

and because we're putting a shield between the event and the

Adele Anderson: 00:22:18

ceiling, and we keep dropping these safety nets for the person

Adele Anderson: 00:22:22

to feel comfortable within exploring something that was

Adele Anderson: 00:22:26

painful, and then we can move into it. And we actually look at

Adele Anderson: 00:22:30

where it's located in the body. So you know, if you think about

Adele Anderson: 00:22:34

your anxiety, and where you feel it, you'll be able to feel it

Adele Anderson: 00:22:37

quite quickly where it's in your body. And then we go in through

Adele Anderson: 00:22:41

the subconscious brains understanding of it, we see what

Adele Anderson: 00:22:44

it looks like. So we go through all the things that are visual,

Adele Anderson: 00:22:48

this the shape, the color, that the texture, the dancy doesn't

Adele Anderson: 00:22:54

light move through it, we can use all these visual types of

Adele Anderson: 00:22:58

cues to for you to identify what it looks like. And then we go

Adele Anderson: 00:23:02

through what does it sound like? What does it feel like?

Adele Anderson: 00:23:05

kinesthetically? So I want not the emotional part of it. I want

Adele Anderson: 00:23:09

like the temperature, the weight, the stickiness? Can you

Adele Anderson: 00:23:14

grasp it? Can you hold it in your hand? Is it drippy? Is it

Adele Anderson: 00:23:16

solid? Does it feel like 10 When you tap it or a marshmallow. So

Adele Anderson: 00:23:21

we we move through all of that. And then we know that that's how

Adele Anderson: 00:23:26

the brain understands anxiety. So just like we use the metaphor

Adele Anderson: 00:23:32

before, an emotion has physiology attached to it. It

Adele Anderson: 00:23:39

has a heart rate and respiration a body temperature, it has what

Adele Anderson: 00:23:43

it looks like sounds like feels like tastes like moves like

Adele Anderson: 00:23:46

kinesthetically. And when we change three things about that

Adele Anderson: 00:23:50

your brain can't hold on to it. It was only it's it's like if

Adele Anderson: 00:23:56

you bake a brownie, that's a brownie. If you make an apple

Adele Anderson: 00:24:00

pie, that's an apple pie, right? We can't change a brownie into

Adele Anderson: 00:24:05

an apple pie. Right brain can't hold that. And so by changing it

Adele Anderson: 00:24:10

visually, so we can run through, for example, a common one that I

Adele Anderson: 00:24:14

use, let's make pizza out of it. Well, I don't even have to say

Adele Anderson: 00:24:18

that pizza dough is white. But usually darker, like, negative

Adele Anderson: 00:24:23

energy is dark in color. We want to move it back into the

Adele Anderson: 00:24:27

brightness. Hmm. You know, we want to change the color and the

Adele Anderson: 00:24:31

shape. So if I'm walking through it with the clients telling me

Adele Anderson: 00:24:34

telling me telling me, then I will morph it into something

Adele Anderson: 00:24:37

else. You know, maybe we might flatten it out with a rolling

Adele Anderson: 00:24:40

pin. Maybe we might heat it in the oven. Maybe we might cut it

Adele Anderson: 00:24:43

into slices. Maybe we might put it into the compost or put it

Adele Anderson: 00:24:48

into the blender. We continually change it until the brain has

Adele Anderson: 00:24:52

dropped it and now and then the anxiety simply leads we could do

Adele Anderson: 00:24:56

it in a variety of ways. I've done lots of different ones in

Adele Anderson: 00:25:04

groups where, you know, we want to dominate the ram of our

Adele Anderson: 00:25:07

brain. So if we're feeling anxious, you can say the

Adele Anderson: 00:25:10

alphabet backwards.

Jane Stark: 00:25:13

I heard that one. Yeah, that's hard.

Adele Anderson: 00:25:15

We're random numbers, our brain loves

Adele Anderson: 00:25:18

sequence and patterns. And even though we're giving ourselves

Adele Anderson: 00:25:21

the random numbers between one and 100 the system the brain

Adele Anderson: 00:25:27

wants you to make 2345. So if you give it odd stuff, it drops

Adele Anderson: 00:25:34

the it drops the anxiety. And the other one is the fire drill.

Adele Anderson: 00:25:39

So five things that you can see in front of yourself right now

Adele Anderson: 00:25:42

four things that you can feel on the outside of your body, three

Adele Anderson: 00:25:45

things that you can hear two things that you can smell and

Adele Anderson: 00:25:47

one thing that you can taste. And so all of these things are

Adele Anderson: 00:25:53

little tiny tools that we can do no matter what age to bring

Adele Anderson: 00:25:58

people back into a state of calm and feeling in control.

Jane Stark: 00:26:03

Yeah, that fire drill when I have used myself

Jane Stark: 00:26:06

and I use it with my children. It is a it's a great interrupt,

Jane Stark: 00:26:09

right? Yes, it's sort of that and I we talk about this a lot

Jane Stark: 00:26:13

the algorithm interrupt or the pattern pattern interrupt, were

Jane Stark: 00:26:16

noticing the patterns in our life and, and our thoughts and

Jane Stark: 00:26:20

just bringing that interrupt in can just kind of jolt you.

Adele Anderson: 00:26:24

Yeah. And pattern interrupt is actually an

Adele Anderson: 00:26:26

NLP process. Okay, there's a lot of things that we do naturally.

Adele Anderson: 00:26:32

And that are really understood through mind science. So a

Adele Anderson: 00:26:37

pattern interrupt can feel a bit rude at times, especially if

Adele Anderson: 00:26:42

you're in a coaching setting. But if you have a client that's

Adele Anderson: 00:26:45

going down a rabbit hole, you can say, Oh, I've got a text

Adele Anderson: 00:26:49

that just came in, and I've been something very, very important.

Adele Anderson: 00:26:52

I'm so sorry. But I really have to take that. Please continue.

Adele Anderson: 00:26:57

And then they start again, and they go down the rabbit hole,

Adele Anderson: 00:26:59

you say, oh, oh, geez, I really have to send this. Bla bla bla

Adele Anderson: 00:27:03

bla bla bla. And you say, I was so sorry. I'm so sorry. Really,

Adele Anderson: 00:27:07

truly, if you interrupt three times, they will not be able to

Adele Anderson: 00:27:10

remember what they were doing. And this is this is important

Adele Anderson: 00:27:14

for people that are you know, constantly going down those

Adele Anderson: 00:27:19

rabbit holes. Yeah. Yeah, we need to give them an out. So

Adele Anderson: 00:27:25

even though it sounds rude and feels a bit rude when you're

Adele Anderson: 00:27:27

doing it, it really does help them to break that pattern

Jen Lang: 00:27:31

are people who are prone to rumination, I think

Jen Lang: 00:27:33

that would be very, very, very helpful to have both as if

Jen Lang: 00:27:37

you're a loved one and you want to work with that tool and snap

Jen Lang: 00:27:40

someone out of rumination. Then, if they know about that tool,

Jen Lang: 00:27:44

they can also use it for themselves. You know, they're

Jen Lang: 00:27:46

ruminating, ruminating, well, that's, that's why they say you

Jen Lang: 00:27:48

know, you're stuck, go for a walk, yeah, shift the energy,

Jen Lang: 00:27:51

move it and change it up, change up the environment and change up

Jen Lang: 00:27:55

the situation. My my personal pattern interrupt is either go

Jen Lang: 00:27:58

to the kitchen and get a glass of water, like get up from my

Jen Lang: 00:28:01

desk and pour a glass of water, or go out into nature. Just go

Jen Lang: 00:28:05

for a walk, take the dogs out and head out for a walk. And a

Adele Anderson: 00:28:09

more powerful way to do that. Jen would be to

Adele Anderson: 00:28:13

say the alphabet backwards at the same time as you're walking,

Adele Anderson: 00:28:16

because you're changing your heart rate, your respiration and

Adele Anderson: 00:28:18

your body temperature through a physical activity. And now we

Adele Anderson: 00:28:22

want to dominate your brain. Interesting. Yeah. So you do

Adele Anderson: 00:28:26

that combination and and the pattern will be successfully

Adele Anderson: 00:28:32

broken. That's the difference between sending our kids out to

Adele Anderson: 00:28:35

play when they're misbehaving. And then they come back in the

Adele Anderson: 00:28:38

house and they misbehave again, because we're missing that

Adele Anderson: 00:28:41

important component of doing them together.

Jen Lang: 00:28:45

Interesting. That's cool on later this week.

Jane Stark: 00:28:51

I have one last question maybe before we shift

Jane Stark: 00:28:53

gears and for our next episode. But neuroplasticity? So the mind

Jane Stark: 00:29:00

science piece, I feel like neuroplasticity is a term that's

Jane Stark: 00:29:02

thrown around a lot, even and becoming more and more

Jane Stark: 00:29:06

mainstream. Can you talk to kind of just a little bit of what

Jane Stark: 00:29:09

that is? And how that it sounds to me like that's very much what

Jane Stark: 00:29:14

neuro or what NLP is or is rooted in. But I just know for a

Jane Stark: 00:29:20

lot of people like we hear that term, but I sometimes wonder how

Jane Stark: 00:29:24

many of us actually truly understand it?

Adele Anderson: 00:29:26

Mm hmm. Well, it just means that we're malleable.

Adele Anderson: 00:29:30

So we know through science, that nothing is set in stone, that

Adele Anderson: 00:29:35

what we believe today doesn't necessarily mean what we believe

Adele Anderson: 00:29:39

tomorrow, or the pain that we're experiencing today does not

Adele Anderson: 00:29:44

necessarily have to be in our life for the for the for

Adele Anderson: 00:29:48

lifetime. Like I truly believe that we were never meant to live

Adele Anderson: 00:29:51

with emotional pain. It's not meant to be a lifestyle. And,

Adele Anderson: 00:29:56

and so just understanding that Your brain is the most amazing

Adele Anderson: 00:30:03

processor on the planet and we all have one, it is more

Adele Anderson: 00:30:08

powerful than any manmade computer ever created in this

Adele Anderson: 00:30:13

world. And it has amazing capacity to change and to shift

Adele Anderson: 00:30:19

and to grow and develop in amazing ways. And even shifting

Adele Anderson: 00:30:25

into, you know, positive thoughts, shifts, shifts, the

Adele Anderson: 00:30:30

way that we view our life. And you know, the power in in the

Adele Anderson: 00:30:34

mind is, is one thing, but understanding that the mind on

Adele Anderson: 00:30:40

its own is a limited organic thing. We know now that the

Adele Anderson: 00:30:48

brain to make sense of what the brain has in it, we require

Adele Anderson: 00:30:53

consciousness, consciousness, they understand through

Adele Anderson: 00:30:58

amputation, amputation, any such technology is not no longer we

Adele Anderson: 00:31:07

used to think it was just on the outside layer of the brain. Now

Adele Anderson: 00:31:10

we know it's outside of ourselves that we're actually

Adele Anderson: 00:31:13

transferring information through this energetic way. And then

Adele Anderson: 00:31:17

consciousness itself requires awareness. And they say that

Adele Anderson: 00:31:22

awareness is the gateway to neuroplasticity. So in if

Adele Anderson: 00:31:27

something is off our radar, how do we change it? Yeah, when we

Adele Anderson: 00:31:34

have when we go down a rabbit hole, because we know we build I

Adele Anderson: 00:31:39

don't know what we're chasing. But something. Yeah, exactly. If

Adele Anderson: 00:31:44

we treat that as a gift, to say, there you are, I just found

Adele Anderson: 00:31:50

something that needs a little bit of attention, a little bit

Adele Anderson: 00:31:53

of love, a little bit of compassion, and maybe some

Adele Anderson: 00:31:56

shifting, we become aware of it. And then this is where it sits

Adele Anderson: 00:32:02

in the neocortex for about 45 days. It's on our mind, shall we

Adele Anderson: 00:32:06

say? And then we can shift it. But if it's not in our

Adele Anderson: 00:32:11

awareness, then we have no ability to even know that it's

Adele Anderson: 00:32:15

there. So how do we tune into that? Mm hmm. So we if we

Adele Anderson: 00:32:20

understand the layers and then you know the in infinitive

Adele Anderson: 00:32:24

nature, yeah, that we can get into that maybe in the next

Adele Anderson: 00:32:29

episode?

Jen Lang: 00:32:30

I think so. That seems appropriate to, to bring it to

Jen Lang: 00:32:33

the next step. So that's a, that's fascinating. And so this

Jen Lang: 00:32:37

marriage of NLP into this awareness piece, I think we will

Jen Lang: 00:32:44

dive into more deeply. Cool. Next episode. Yeah. I don't have

Jen Lang: 00:32:48

much, many more questions. I don't have any more questions

Jen Lang: 00:32:50

around this round. I think what you've explained, Adele has been

Jen Lang: 00:32:53

so clear and so fascinating around the uses of NLP and how

Jen Lang: 00:32:58

it can really be such a beautiful tool to move through

Jen Lang: 00:33:01

our lives with more awareness. I guess it's a really great way to

Jen Lang: 00:33:07

put it and also awareness

Jane Stark: 00:33:08

and the tools to heal and to to move forward

Jane Stark: 00:33:12

right to shift

Jen Lang: 00:33:12

to transform and to cultivate more, more

Jen Lang: 00:33:15

neuroplasticity. Brilliant. Yeah. And

Jane Stark: 00:33:19

I mean, how freeing is that to sort of to understand

Jane Stark: 00:33:22

that we don't have to be in the place we're in? We don't, we

Jane Stark: 00:33:25

never actually are stuck.

Adele Anderson: 00:33:28

Exactly. And you can see it in the language. And

Adele Anderson: 00:33:31

these would be simple shifts for people. If you feel stuck, start

Adele Anderson: 00:33:35

using using words that have movement. Yeah, right. That the,

Adele Anderson: 00:33:39

you know, I'm, I'm starting to move I'm looking forward I'm

Adele Anderson: 00:33:43

stepping into, you can begin to adopt these types of words

Adele Anderson: 00:33:48

within your vocabulary, because everything starts through a

Adele Anderson: 00:33:52

thought before it becomes a word before it becomes body action.

Adele Anderson: 00:33:58

So we start to turn those dials.

Jane Stark: 00:34:00

Yeah, that's a great, that's a great little

Jane Stark: 00:34:03

tip. So maybe as we close out this episode, Adele, where can

Jane Stark: 00:34:08

people find you and work with you or start to learn more from

Jane Stark: 00:34:11

your work?

Adele Anderson: 00:34:13

So my website is Life Coach adel.com It's just

Adele Anderson: 00:34:16

being updated right now. So you can dial in there but just know

Adele Anderson: 00:34:21

that it might look different in a week. I am on Facebook, I am

Adele Anderson: 00:34:24

on Instagram, you can just search my name Adele Anderson,

Adele Anderson: 00:34:27

and it should come up. And then you'll see me on a pod podcasts

Adele Anderson: 00:34:32

and different summits, webinars, those type of things.

Jane Stark: 00:34:35

And you mentioned at the beginning that you do

Jane Stark: 00:34:37

practitioner training, do you also do coaching? Do you also

Jane Stark: 00:34:41

have coaching packages or ways that people can work with you

Jane Stark: 00:34:45

one on

Adele Anderson: 00:34:45

one do I do I have series that people can come

Adele Anderson: 00:34:49

in for monthly sessions or sorry weekly sessions over a month so

Adele Anderson: 00:34:54

a series of four to five depending if you want to go for

Adele Anderson: 00:34:57

60 to 75 minutes sessions? And then I really encourage people

Adele Anderson: 00:35:02

to do a four month series simply because that is sort of the

Adele Anderson: 00:35:07

amount of time that it takes us to really change our behavior.

Adele Anderson: 00:35:10

And it gives us that continual step back into our power. It's

Adele Anderson: 00:35:15

really as a self love, you know, commitment to ourselves when

Adele Anderson: 00:35:21

we're wanting to experience true growth and development. To say

Adele Anderson: 00:35:25

this, I'm doing this for me, so that the rest of my worth it

Adele Anderson: 00:35:29

Yeah, exact totally. investment in yourself.

Jane Stark: 00:35:32

Yeah. Beautiful. Well, we both said it. So yeah,

Jane Stark: 00:35:39

this is this has been such an informative episode. Thank you

Jane Stark: 00:35:41

so much for sharing all of your knowledge and insights into I

Jane Stark: 00:35:47

find mine sign. It's fascinating. I really hope I

Jane Stark: 00:35:51

think our listeners as well, it's, you know, uncovering these

Jane Stark: 00:35:53

tools, there's, there's many tools that we can use. And this

Jane Stark: 00:35:56

is this is one of the one that sounds just so powerful. So if

Jane Stark: 00:36:01

you're listening, we are going to next week, have Adele back on

Jane Stark: 00:36:05

the podcast and we're going to dive a little bit more into her

Jane Stark: 00:36:07

personal story and how she came to NLP. And some really, really,

Jane Stark: 00:36:14

I think what are going to be very fascinating stories of your

Jane Stark: 00:36:18

journey. So tune in again next week to hear kind of part two of

Jane Stark: 00:36:22

this and I'm sure we'll be uncovering a few more tips and

Jane Stark: 00:36:26

tricks using NLP. Thanks so much, Adele, for joining us this

Jane Stark: 00:36:31

evening here. Thank you. Talk to you soon. Bye. Hi.

Jen Lang: 00:36:38

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