Episode 53

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5th Apr 2022

From NLP to NDEs with Adele Anderson, Part 1 of 2

Today we dive into the topic of Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) with our guest Adele Anderson. Adele is an NLP Trainer and life coach who had a Near-Death-Experience (NDE) at age 27. Her recovery and exploration of the experience led her to NLP. 

Her current focus is working with clients who have suffered loss and who are ready to re-define their relationship with grief. In this episode we discuss what NLP is, how current brain science supports a more holistic view of Mind-Body-Spirit, and how NLP can help you to move past beliefs, thought-patterns, and habits that are keeping you stuck. 

 

Adele Anderson Bio:

At 27 years old, Adele Anderson survived a plane crash. That near death and life experience changed Adele’s path and led her on a deeper journey of discovery so that she could help others.

 

Little did she expect she would experience a significant loss later in life.  Adele admits drowning in a capsized plane was easier than becoming a widow. Her grief from the loss of her life partner proved deafening, a deep wound that still weeps when the Band-Aid is pulled off, raw and tender when touched. 

 

Loss challenged every aspect of her life, but she did find relief through community, neuroscience, nutrition and by embodying a rich spiritual practice.  Adele is an NLP Trainer, Homeopath and Soul Coach and has had the privilege of helping those seeking happiness since 2002. Along with being an author, Adele has been on countless stages sharing her messages of hope. How do you find happiness when life doesn’t look so bright?  Ask Adele, she will light the way

 

Guest Social Media links

Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/lifecoachadele/

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/adele.anderson.1238/

LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/lifecoachadeleanderson/

Website - https://www.lifecoachadele.com

Email - yes@lifecoachadele.com

 

Additional Resources/Reading:

●      Dr. Robert Lanza - biocentrism 

●      Dr. Michael Newton - hypnotherapy - Life Between Life - research over Decades

●      Dr. Eben Alexander - Proof of Heaven and Living in a Mindful Universe 

 

Questions for further guidance: 

●      Words are powerful - observe your language over the next few days and see if you can notice word patterns that keep showing up. 

 

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About Jen and Jane

 

Jen Lang

Jen believes in the power and wisdom of women’s voices. She’s a guide for women who want to tune into and align their inner voice so their outer voice can shine; uniting physical, mental, emotional and spiritual energies into a powerful voice ready to share your message.

 

Jane Stark

Passionate about energetic alignment and living life from a place of personal power, Jane is a heart-centred leader, certified health and life coach and marketing strategist.  She leads others to play bigger and feel lighter by helping them see and navigate their blocks and connect more deeply with themselves.

 

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Transcript
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Jen Lang:

Hi, everybody, and welcome back to another episode

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of no halos here with Jen Lang and Jane Stark. Today we have a

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really fascinating and well rounded, I don't know,

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experienced guest, her name is Adele Anderson, and she is both

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an NLP practitioner. And I'm gonna say a brain science

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enthusiast, it's probably a nice way to describe it. And I'm

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actually going to hand it off to her to tell us a little bit

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about her brief introduction about how she operates in the

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world. And then we're going to dive into her NLP journey neural

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and Gristick programming and she's going to explain lots

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about it. And then this is a two parter episode. So today, you're

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gonna hear about the NLP and a lot of the brain science pieces.

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And then next week, you'll tune in and we'll hear about some of

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her story and some of those the other ways that NLP and an ND

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and near death experience has framed and shaped her life. So

Jen Lang:

welcome, Adele. Nice to have you here.

Adele Anderson:

Yeah, it's so nice to spend some time with

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you, ladies. For today's talk,

Jane Stark:

yeah, we're super excited about this. So tell us

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tell us who you are.

Adele Anderson:

Okay, well, my name is Adele Anderson and I am

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an NLP trainers. So I can train other practitioners how to

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become an NLP practitioner. So NLP stands for Neuro Linguistic

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Programming. And it was developed in the 70s by a group

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of linguistics psychologists, neurologists, system study

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people in cybernetic people. So it's a combination of a lot of

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Sciences. But what it basically says to us is the blank, the

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brain is malleable. So the things that we have going on in

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our head, if they're not serving us, we can change it. And we

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know that even though we talk about the brain, and we think,

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Oh, this has to be really complex, it's actually not, the

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brain is pretty simple, if we know how it functions and why it

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does what it does. And so we can move into things as easy as

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choice. In our subconscious brain, the only purpose of our

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brain is to keep us alive physiologically. So this is

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where the fallacy of only we only use 10% of our brain,

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rather than we're only aware of using 10% of our brain, the rest

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of its dealing with our you know, our heart rate, our

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respiration, our body temperature, metabolism, and all

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those other amazing cellular functions that we don't have to

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think about. And the other thing that it's responsible for is to

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be the best cheerleader that will ever have. It believes us

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100%. So this is why these old sayings of whether we can or

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whether we can't, both her right,

Jen Lang:

yeah, very, very important. Thank you, that is a

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great start to what we're getting into. So my dogs very

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excited in the background. That's okay, she'll settle down.

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So when we, when would people use NLP for their day to day

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lives, I think that's probably a good place to start.

Adele Anderson:

NLP can be used in pretty much all professions,

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because it's really based in language and communication. So

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not just the mind science of being able to up level or shift

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or change or neutralize and emotional entanglement. But it's

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really understanding how people communicate and why they say the

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things that they say. So we learn how to build rapport

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quickly report means that someone else trusts us. And this

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is the engagement that we have not only in business, but as

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friends and as parents interacting with anybody. So if

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we understand that everyone has their unique style, so we get

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into the learning of what's called representational systems,

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so how people download their environment, how they download

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their experience of the world, comes through their senses. So

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what they see smell, taste, hear, feel emotionally in

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kinesthetically. And then that gets into the brain. It gets

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reorganized, moves through our belief systems to get settled in

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there and then we spit it back out as length Good story. And we

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tell our story in a certain way, based on three out of five of

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those being more primary senses. So for example, you pick up the

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phone with your best friend, and you start to talk. And she says,

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I see what you're saying, well, she could be a visual thinker,

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someone else might say, I get that. So they're kinesthetic

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thinker, or someone I hear what you're saying. And so an

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auditory thinker. And why this is important, is we kind of have

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all had the experience where we meet some people, and we really

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sink with them. And other people, it seems like oil and

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water, and your best friend will say to you, we'll give it a

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chance, once you get to know her, you're going to love her.

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But at the beginning, it kind of feels sticky. Well, it's because

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they're speaking a different lingo than us. So if we're a

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visual, auditory kinesthetic thinker, maybe there gustatory

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Oh factor, three, kinesthetic thinker. And when we start to

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shift out the words that we use to tell every every story that

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we're having, and use some of the words that really penetrate

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into their brain naturally, so they don't, there's no

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resistance to them, then we have greater conversations. And then

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we can move into more that what's called the metamodel. And

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the meta systems, we all have eight decision making processes

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that are happening for every single thing that we decide to

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do, whether it's, you know, the socks that we're wearing this

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morning, or, or the conversation that we're about to have, and

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understanding how these function really, really great for

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parents. Because for example, if you have some people, there's

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one, one of the metamodels is called matched or mismatched. So

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if you can think that 50% of the world is matched, and I'll

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explain what that means, and the other half are mismatched. So

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when you're talking about matched, you're talking about

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similarities. So people will say, Oh, that looks the same to

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me as such and such. So their brain is defining, or comparing

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something that they already know something about, to something

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that might be new. And that's how their brain correlates that

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information and make sense of it. But what happens if your

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child downloads information of the world, on comparing

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differences? So that's different from that. So that's why it

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makes sense to me. So when we're communicating with someone in

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our language, naturally, I'm a difference thinker. So I'll

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you'll you'll just see it come out in the language, I'll say,

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well, that's different than such and such. And then you'll know

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that that'll give you a clue how you respond to somebody, if you

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want to get a point across or you want to bypass the

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resistance of your child's neocortex that always has a

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better and better way of doing it always wants to argue and use

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the subconscious brains well way of communicating, because this

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just means that we're where we are syncing with their brain.

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And so therefore, the information goes in without

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resistance, we're coming from a different brain and communicate

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gives us different results. So we can go through a bunch of the

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different metamodels. But that that's the essence of it is to

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start to look for these clues in how people are actually using

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their language, because nothing is by chance.

Jane Stark:

Right? It's the programming, it's

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the programming. I have a question, but I think

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jeans, no, go ahead. Question. So a couple go, Okay, I'm gonna

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hop in first. So is this something that is learned and

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conditioned from upbringing? Or is it genuinely the way that

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someone's brain functions from from setup a question or a bit

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of both,

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there's a bit of both. So for example, a team

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player versus someone who's an independent player, it could be

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it could depend on what the circumstance is, some people can

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flow between that. But you may know a child that just would not

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ever be comfortable in a team sport. And you can try to put

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them on the soccer team, but they just don't want it. They

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want on the chess team. They want to be one on one with

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someone. And so this is this is part of their personality. So

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you kind of recognize the metamodel as part of their

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personality. And then again, there's some camps will grow

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into through time thinkers, but there's another metamodel that's

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called in time or through time, so in time are very spontaneous.

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So we see this in young children. They don't really see

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the consequence yet, and this is why cheap children and teenagers

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make riskier decisions than adults, because we simply had

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more consequence

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variances of course, Once

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you figure out a hot snow, this is going to

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happen,

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I'm going to eat that whole bag of chips, and then the

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next day, I'll be really sad.

Jane Stark:

So do that every day in my household.

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In time, kids are going to be at higher risk

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takers, and they're not going to necessarily see the consequence.

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So I always say, if you're an in time thinker, think about being

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dropped in downtown Vancouver where the sky rises are all

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around you. Or even better. How about Hong Kong, if you don't

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speak Mandarin, so you can't read the signs, you can't speak

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the language and you don't know where your hotel is. That's a

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spontaneous person, right? A through time person think of

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them as being on the top of the mountain, the top of Mount

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Everest, and they can see north, south, east or west, they see

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the trail that got them to the peak. They know how they got

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there. And they all also can see how they're going to go down the

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mountain. So they're there through time.

Jen Lang:

So I I get that. And again, is this something that is

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like conditioned? Or is this Is it something sort of the

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develops from an early from basically from in utero, and

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then they have maybe have a tendency towards one or the

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other. And that tendency then crowds out the lesser? Is that

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Is that an accurate description of how that might

Adele Anderson:

work? So some of them, I believe, are just

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innate, just right to themselves. But there are a few

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that can be learned, like the team player versus the

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individual thinker, you know, a CEO versus a, you know, an

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accountant versus a CEO, someone who sees the global picture

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versus someone that wants to cross the t's and dot the eyes.

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So we can become experts in different ways, depending on our

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environment and our conditioning. And in time, and

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through time to can, we can offer those differences, but

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we're going to see certain age groups going to be more in time,

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like young children, they don't have that ability to know how

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they got to today, and what's going to happen this afternoon.

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So that consequence part of it the consequence of choice, which

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cannot be removed. Like I'm going to show you a pen here

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with a cap on it. And every choice has consequence, right?

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So when children understand through metaphor, which is

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subconscious brain process, these are ways to tell your

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child or show your child a lot of information. And they will

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understand it easier if you put it into a metaphor. I'm using

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this pen with a cap to say, Okay, you're making a choice,

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remember that it has to have a consequence. And so this is the

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complete thing of what's going to happen when you make a

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choice. So again, you know, understanding maybe different

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age groups, different parts of the metamodel are more likely to

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be in play. And other ones we learn what our child or what our

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business associates metamodel is by asking questions, and then

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seeing how the answers unfold.

Jane Stark:

Okay, so I'm curious with all of that, where does

Jane Stark:

belief work? And our conditioning come into play with

Jane Stark:

all of this?

Adele Anderson:

Yeah. So consider those rose colored

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glasses. Okay. Yeah, so your belief systems rise up. And, and

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they're, they're developing in the fundamental years, if we

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look at evolutionary psychology, you know, a newborn to about two

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is safety, survival and security. And so this is if a

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child gets left in the crib way too long. And they feel like no

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one's going to come and nurture them, no one's going to come and

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feed them change their diaper, then they could sort of develop

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an insecurity there. And then from two to 10, we go into love

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and belonging. So this is when you know, we're surrounded by

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people that typically look like us and speak the same language

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depending on the diversity of the family. So these are their

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first the SMM comes into play, which is a very fun, fundamental

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primal part of our brain of separation. And then when they

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become teenagers, you you come into self esteem and self worth.

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So these fundamental parts of our development is where we get

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the baggage. No deficiencies, and they will show up in

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different ways. So somebody who has a deficiency, I know it's

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not a friendly word, but it's not such a big deal. Just

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awareness of where it comes like what age group it shows up in.

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So for example, somebody has an issue around money. Well, it can

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be a safety survival security issue. So knowing where the work

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where the environment system for that to come into their

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psychology So then we always look at the, the environment for

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the starting point of the work. And, you know, if it's issues

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with relationships and, you know, feeling that part of, Am I

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do I belong? Do I belong with it with a certain tribe that came

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in, you know, from two to 10. So we know that those issues, and

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left and left unchecked, these are the kids that join cults

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that join gangs, gangs are actually extremely sophisticated

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in their psychology, they understand the need for love and

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belonging, and love, and belonging doesn't necessarily

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always have to be a friendly thing. But belongingness, they

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will find a tribe that will make them feel like they belong. And

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so to understand how this comes apart, and then of course, self

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esteem and self worth, we work on that our whole life. already

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does. Yeah. And so we understand that at some point, we became

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wounded. Mm hmm. That for whatever reason, you know,

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unintentionally, or, or otherwise, we felt not good

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enough, at some point in that teenage to, you know, early 20s.

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And our brain is still developing. So, you know, we, we

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still have a developing brain tumor about 25, that neocortex,

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which is, you know, the big thinker is still coming into

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play. So, a lot of this stuff is really happening through

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development. So then we have a lot of errors that can show up.

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But but now we know we can correct those errors.

Jane Stark:

So if we're, can you take us through kind of what an

Jane Stark:

NLP process looks like, in one of those examples of say, the

Jane Stark:

self worth or self esteem? Like you said, you identify that

Jane Stark:

somewhere there was wounding in that teenage to 20s time? How

Jane Stark:

does NLP then work with that?

Adele Anderson:

Yeah. So someone will come in and, and I'm

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analyzing the language. So the first thing I do is I want to, I

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run about 30 minutes in the first session to find out how

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their brain manages. So I'll run through the metamodel. So I'll

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ask questions. And then I'll, you know, I'll show them, say

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three different types of pens, maybe a marker, maybe a clicky.

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Pen, and maybe a pen that has a lid on it, and ask them, Are

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these similar? Or are they different? So I'll begin to

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gather the data of how their brain processes information, I

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will ask them about their favorite things in three

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different categories. So with friends with work, maybe with a

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hobby, so what things do you love, and they'll begin to show

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me their signature language. So the 20 most common words that we

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use to describe our world, and we can get into that, because

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it's quite fascinating. Really, it really shows our mindset and

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whether we're leading in the in the direction of fear and

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depression, versus positivity and growth.

Jane Stark:

Okay,

Adele Anderson:

so when we, when we look at and get this

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fundamental information, then, of course, the representational

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system. So are they using more visual words? Are they using

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more kinesthetic words, auditory, those are the three

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primary ones. And, and then I have like a little worksheet

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that I just keep on my desk, that gives me probably 100 words

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that I can interchange. So I want to make sure that I'm

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including all the representational systems when

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I'm communicating, but more so I want to include more words that

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represent their brain. So for example, we haven't used a lot

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of auditory words today. So I might start saying, well, let's

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tune into this. Or maybe we can, you know, sync with that, or I

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can hear the, you know, the tone and in in this meaning, so that

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we bring in some auditory words, so that those people that are in

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that type of thinking zone will start to feel like okay, she's,

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she's talking to me. So these are the things that I need to

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know before I can do the work. Right, and then we move into a

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process that is typically, you know, a different brainwave, so

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I'm changing their breath, slowing down their breath, so

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that we're changing the brainwaves that is associated

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with relaxation, and then moving into a visual type of process.

Adele Anderson:

And using something that's called anchoring. So we can we

Adele Anderson:

can talk about all of those different foods,

Jen Lang:

we could talk for hours, I think there's like so

Jen Lang:

many, like we were gonna try, we're gonna do two episodes

Jen Lang:

about there's just so much so many different areas to, to tap

Jen Lang:

into, and to tune into here. Okay, I mean,

Jane Stark:

I have a thought or a question a lot of our audience

Jane Stark:

and the women that Jen and I work with, struggle with the

Jane Stark:

overwhelm anxiety, I mean, and that's all just grow Right now,

Jane Stark:

right based on the world that we're living stuck, yeah being

Jane Stark:

stuck in their life? How? How would you or how do you work

Jane Stark:

with clients? In the in that kind of space? Especially and

Jane Stark:

I'm it's women of, you know, I'd say sort of 30 to 55 mins

Jen Lang:

rod Yeah, quite a broad age, age range. Yeah,

Jen Lang:

definitely.

Jane Stark:

Yeah, do you have thoughts or experience or even

Jane Stark:

talking to, to that sort of just the low level anxiety that we're

Jane Stark:

living with?

Adele Anderson:

Yeah, everyday level anxiety. So understand

Adele Anderson:

understanding that thoughts and emotions are simply energy. And

Adele Anderson:

you know, the when we start to label something that it, you

Adele Anderson:

know, it's in the brain. But I'd like you to just sort of think

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right now and say inside your brain find find anxiety, like

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your brain can't really pinpoint it. Yeah, because anxiety is

Adele Anderson:

simply a word that we've given a bunch of sensations in our body,

Adele Anderson:

right. So if, when I'm moving through a process, what, what I

Adele Anderson:

will do is we'll, we'll bring up something that's bothering them

Adele Anderson:

so that the state is arisen in their body. And if it's too

Adele Anderson:

heightened, then we can do it in what's called a disassociation

Adele Anderson:

way. So I'd like to think about yourself sitting in your office

Adele Anderson:

today, feeling anxious. So again, that disassociation of

Adele Anderson:

just thinking about yourself, somewhere is outside of

Adele Anderson:

yourself. So again, we're putting up this shield, we can

Adele Anderson:

use a movie theater as a as a buffer. So pretend that you're

Adele Anderson:

in a movie theater, you're the only one sitting there and

Adele Anderson:

you're up on the stage, or it's a movie about your life that's

Adele Anderson:

about to play. And if even if that is too tender, then we can

Adele Anderson:

put you into the projection booth where you have all the

Adele Anderson:

dials to tune down the sound or shade out the the focus, and

Adele Anderson:

have yourself looking at yourself sitting in the movie

Adele Anderson:

theater, watching yourself up on the screen. So that's a double

Adele Anderson:

disassociation. And we use that for fear, the double

Adele Anderson:

disassociation that's a very common process. In in that way,

Adele Anderson:

and because we're putting a shield between the event and the

Adele Anderson:

ceiling, and we keep dropping these safety nets for the person

Adele Anderson:

to feel comfortable within exploring something that was

Adele Anderson:

painful, and then we can move into it. And we actually look at

Adele Anderson:

where it's located in the body. So you know, if you think about

Adele Anderson:

your anxiety, and where you feel it, you'll be able to feel it

Adele Anderson:

quite quickly where it's in your body. And then we go in through

Adele Anderson:

the subconscious brains understanding of it, we see what

Adele Anderson:

it looks like. So we go through all the things that are visual,

Adele Anderson:

this the shape, the color, that the texture, the dancy doesn't

Adele Anderson:

light move through it, we can use all these visual types of

Adele Anderson:

cues to for you to identify what it looks like. And then we go

Adele Anderson:

through what does it sound like? What does it feel like?

Adele Anderson:

kinesthetically? So I want not the emotional part of it. I want

Adele Anderson:

like the temperature, the weight, the stickiness? Can you

Adele Anderson:

grasp it? Can you hold it in your hand? Is it drippy? Is it

Adele Anderson:

solid? Does it feel like 10 When you tap it or a marshmallow. So

Adele Anderson:

we we move through all of that. And then we know that that's how

Adele Anderson:

the brain understands anxiety. So just like we use the metaphor

Adele Anderson:

before, an emotion has physiology attached to it. It

Adele Anderson:

has a heart rate and respiration a body temperature, it has what

Adele Anderson:

it looks like sounds like feels like tastes like moves like

Adele Anderson:

kinesthetically. And when we change three things about that

Adele Anderson:

your brain can't hold on to it. It was only it's it's like if

Adele Anderson:

you bake a brownie, that's a brownie. If you make an apple

Adele Anderson:

pie, that's an apple pie, right? We can't change a brownie into

Adele Anderson:

an apple pie. Right brain can't hold that. And so by changing it

Adele Anderson:

visually, so we can run through, for example, a common one that I

Adele Anderson:

use, let's make pizza out of it. Well, I don't even have to say

Adele Anderson:

that pizza dough is white. But usually darker, like, negative

Adele Anderson:

energy is dark in color. We want to move it back into the

Adele Anderson:

brightness. Hmm. You know, we want to change the color and the

Adele Anderson:

shape. So if I'm walking through it with the clients telling me

Adele Anderson:

telling me telling me, then I will morph it into something

Adele Anderson:

else. You know, maybe we might flatten it out with a rolling

Adele Anderson:

pin. Maybe we might heat it in the oven. Maybe we might cut it

Adele Anderson:

into slices. Maybe we might put it into the compost or put it

Adele Anderson:

into the blender. We continually change it until the brain has

Adele Anderson:

dropped it and now and then the anxiety simply leads we could do

Adele Anderson:

it in a variety of ways. I've done lots of different ones in

Adele Anderson:

groups where, you know, we want to dominate the ram of our

Adele Anderson:

brain. So if we're feeling anxious, you can say the

Adele Anderson:

alphabet backwards.

Jane Stark:

I heard that one. Yeah, that's hard.

Adele Anderson:

We're random numbers, our brain loves

Adele Anderson:

sequence and patterns. And even though we're giving ourselves

Adele Anderson:

the random numbers between one and 100 the system the brain

Adele Anderson:

wants you to make 2345. So if you give it odd stuff, it drops

Adele Anderson:

the it drops the anxiety. And the other one is the fire drill.

Adele Anderson:

So five things that you can see in front of yourself right now

Adele Anderson:

four things that you can feel on the outside of your body, three

Adele Anderson:

things that you can hear two things that you can smell and

Adele Anderson:

one thing that you can taste. And so all of these things are

Adele Anderson:

little tiny tools that we can do no matter what age to bring

Adele Anderson:

people back into a state of calm and feeling in control.

Jane Stark:

Yeah, that fire drill when I have used myself

Jane Stark:

and I use it with my children. It is a it's a great interrupt,

Jane Stark:

right? Yes, it's sort of that and I we talk about this a lot

Jane Stark:

the algorithm interrupt or the pattern pattern interrupt, were

Jane Stark:

noticing the patterns in our life and, and our thoughts and

Jane Stark:

just bringing that interrupt in can just kind of jolt you.

Adele Anderson:

Yeah. And pattern interrupt is actually an

Adele Anderson:

NLP process. Okay, there's a lot of things that we do naturally.

Adele Anderson:

And that are really understood through mind science. So a

Adele Anderson:

pattern interrupt can feel a bit rude at times, especially if

Adele Anderson:

you're in a coaching setting. But if you have a client that's

Adele Anderson:

going down a rabbit hole, you can say, Oh, I've got a text

Adele Anderson:

that just came in, and I've been something very, very important.

Adele Anderson:

I'm so sorry. But I really have to take that. Please continue.

Adele Anderson:

And then they start again, and they go down the rabbit hole,

Adele Anderson:

you say, oh, oh, geez, I really have to send this. Bla bla bla

Adele Anderson:

bla bla bla. And you say, I was so sorry. I'm so sorry. Really,

Adele Anderson:

truly, if you interrupt three times, they will not be able to

Adele Anderson:

remember what they were doing. And this is this is important

Adele Anderson:

for people that are you know, constantly going down those

Adele Anderson:

rabbit holes. Yeah. Yeah, we need to give them an out. So

Adele Anderson:

even though it sounds rude and feels a bit rude when you're

Adele Anderson:

doing it, it really does help them to break that pattern

Jen Lang:

are people who are prone to rumination, I think

Jen Lang:

that would be very, very, very helpful to have both as if

Jen Lang:

you're a loved one and you want to work with that tool and snap

Jen Lang:

someone out of rumination. Then, if they know about that tool,

Jen Lang:

they can also use it for themselves. You know, they're

Jen Lang:

ruminating, ruminating, well, that's, that's why they say you

Jen Lang:

know, you're stuck, go for a walk, yeah, shift the energy,

Jen Lang:

move it and change it up, change up the environment and change up

Jen Lang:

the situation. My my personal pattern interrupt is either go

Jen Lang:

to the kitchen and get a glass of water, like get up from my

Jen Lang:

desk and pour a glass of water, or go out into nature. Just go

Jen Lang:

for a walk, take the dogs out and head out for a walk. And a

Adele Anderson:

more powerful way to do that. Jen would be to

Adele Anderson:

say the alphabet backwards at the same time as you're walking,

Adele Anderson:

because you're changing your heart rate, your respiration and

Adele Anderson:

your body temperature through a physical activity. And now we

Adele Anderson:

want to dominate your brain. Interesting. Yeah. So you do

Adele Anderson:

that combination and and the pattern will be successfully

Adele Anderson:

broken. That's the difference between sending our kids out to

Adele Anderson:

play when they're misbehaving. And then they come back in the

Adele Anderson:

house and they misbehave again, because we're missing that

Adele Anderson:

important component of doing them together.

Jen Lang:

Interesting. That's cool on later this week.

Jane Stark:

I have one last question maybe before we shift

Jane Stark:

gears and for our next episode. But neuroplasticity? So the mind

Jane Stark:

science piece, I feel like neuroplasticity is a term that's

Jane Stark:

thrown around a lot, even and becoming more and more

Jane Stark:

mainstream. Can you talk to kind of just a little bit of what

Jane Stark:

that is? And how that it sounds to me like that's very much what

Jane Stark:

neuro or what NLP is or is rooted in. But I just know for a

Jane Stark:

lot of people like we hear that term, but I sometimes wonder how

Jane Stark:

many of us actually truly understand it?

Adele Anderson:

Mm hmm. Well, it just means that we're malleable.

Adele Anderson:

So we know through science, that nothing is set in stone, that

Adele Anderson:

what we believe today doesn't necessarily mean what we believe

Adele Anderson:

tomorrow, or the pain that we're experiencing today does not

Adele Anderson:

necessarily have to be in our life for the for the for

Adele Anderson:

lifetime. Like I truly believe that we were never meant to live

Adele Anderson:

with emotional pain. It's not meant to be a lifestyle. And,

Adele Anderson:

and so just understanding that Your brain is the most amazing

Adele Anderson:

processor on the planet and we all have one, it is more

Adele Anderson:

powerful than any manmade computer ever created in this

Adele Anderson:

world. And it has amazing capacity to change and to shift

Adele Anderson:

and to grow and develop in amazing ways. And even shifting

Adele Anderson:

into, you know, positive thoughts, shifts, shifts, the

Adele Anderson:

way that we view our life. And you know, the power in in the

Adele Anderson:

mind is, is one thing, but understanding that the mind on

Adele Anderson:

its own is a limited organic thing. We know now that the

Adele Anderson:

brain to make sense of what the brain has in it, we require

Adele Anderson:

consciousness, consciousness, they understand through

Adele Anderson:

amputation, amputation, any such technology is not no longer we

Adele Anderson:

used to think it was just on the outside layer of the brain. Now

Adele Anderson:

we know it's outside of ourselves that we're actually

Adele Anderson:

transferring information through this energetic way. And then

Adele Anderson:

consciousness itself requires awareness. And they say that

Adele Anderson:

awareness is the gateway to neuroplasticity. So in if

Adele Anderson:

something is off our radar, how do we change it? Yeah, when we

Adele Anderson:

have when we go down a rabbit hole, because we know we build I

Adele Anderson:

don't know what we're chasing. But something. Yeah, exactly. If

Adele Anderson:

we treat that as a gift, to say, there you are, I just found

Adele Anderson:

something that needs a little bit of attention, a little bit

Adele Anderson:

of love, a little bit of compassion, and maybe some

Adele Anderson:

shifting, we become aware of it. And then this is where it sits

Adele Anderson:

in the neocortex for about 45 days. It's on our mind, shall we

Adele Anderson:

say? And then we can shift it. But if it's not in our

Adele Anderson:

awareness, then we have no ability to even know that it's

Adele Anderson:

there. So how do we tune into that? Mm hmm. So we if we

Adele Anderson:

understand the layers and then you know the in infinitive

Adele Anderson:

nature, yeah, that we can get into that maybe in the next

Adele Anderson:

episode?

Jen Lang:

I think so. That seems appropriate to, to bring it to

Jen Lang:

the next step. So that's a, that's fascinating. And so this

Jen Lang:

marriage of NLP into this awareness piece, I think we will

Jen Lang:

dive into more deeply. Cool. Next episode. Yeah. I don't have

Jen Lang:

much, many more questions. I don't have any more questions

Jen Lang:

around this round. I think what you've explained, Adele has been

Jen Lang:

so clear and so fascinating around the uses of NLP and how

Jen Lang:

it can really be such a beautiful tool to move through

Jen Lang:

our lives with more awareness. I guess it's a really great way to

Jen Lang:

put it and also awareness

Jane Stark:

and the tools to heal and to to move forward

Jane Stark:

right to shift

Jen Lang:

to transform and to cultivate more, more

Jen Lang:

neuroplasticity. Brilliant. Yeah. And

Jane Stark:

I mean, how freeing is that to sort of to understand

Jane Stark:

that we don't have to be in the place we're in? We don't, we

Jane Stark:

never actually are stuck.

Adele Anderson:

Exactly. And you can see it in the language. And

Adele Anderson:

these would be simple shifts for people. If you feel stuck, start

Adele Anderson:

using using words that have movement. Yeah, right. That the,

Adele Anderson:

you know, I'm, I'm starting to move I'm looking forward I'm

Adele Anderson:

stepping into, you can begin to adopt these types of words

Adele Anderson:

within your vocabulary, because everything starts through a

Adele Anderson:

thought before it becomes a word before it becomes body action.

Adele Anderson:

So we start to turn those dials.

Jane Stark:

Yeah, that's a great, that's a great little

Jane Stark:

tip. So maybe as we close out this episode, Adele, where can

Jane Stark:

people find you and work with you or start to learn more from

Jane Stark:

your work?

Adele Anderson:

So my website is Life Coach adel.com It's just

Adele Anderson:

being updated right now. So you can dial in there but just know

Adele Anderson:

that it might look different in a week. I am on Facebook, I am

Adele Anderson:

on Instagram, you can just search my name Adele Anderson,

Adele Anderson:

and it should come up. And then you'll see me on a pod podcasts

Adele Anderson:

and different summits, webinars, those type of things.

Jane Stark:

And you mentioned at the beginning that you do

Jane Stark:

practitioner training, do you also do coaching? Do you also

Jane Stark:

have coaching packages or ways that people can work with you

Jane Stark:

one on

Adele Anderson:

one do I do I have series that people can come

Adele Anderson:

in for monthly sessions or sorry weekly sessions over a month so

Adele Anderson:

a series of four to five depending if you want to go for

Adele Anderson:

60 to 75 minutes sessions? And then I really encourage people

Adele Anderson:

to do a four month series simply because that is sort of the

Adele Anderson:

amount of time that it takes us to really change our behavior.

Adele Anderson:

And it gives us that continual step back into our power. It's

Adele Anderson:

really as a self love, you know, commitment to ourselves when

Adele Anderson:

we're wanting to experience true growth and development. To say

Adele Anderson:

this, I'm doing this for me, so that the rest of my worth it

Adele Anderson:

Yeah, exact totally. investment in yourself.

Jane Stark:

Yeah. Beautiful. Well, we both said it. So yeah,

Jane Stark:

this is this has been such an informative episode. Thank you

Jane Stark:

so much for sharing all of your knowledge and insights into I

Jane Stark:

find mine sign. It's fascinating. I really hope I

Jane Stark:

think our listeners as well, it's, you know, uncovering these

Jane Stark:

tools, there's, there's many tools that we can use. And this

Jane Stark:

is this is one of the one that sounds just so powerful. So if

Jane Stark:

you're listening, we are going to next week, have Adele back on

Jane Stark:

the podcast and we're going to dive a little bit more into her

Jane Stark:

personal story and how she came to NLP. And some really, really,

Jane Stark:

I think what are going to be very fascinating stories of your

Jane Stark:

journey. So tune in again next week to hear kind of part two of

Jane Stark:

this and I'm sure we'll be uncovering a few more tips and

Jane Stark:

tricks using NLP. Thanks so much, Adele, for joining us this

Jane Stark:

evening here. Thank you. Talk to you soon. Bye. Hi.

Jen Lang:

Thanks for joining us for these conscious combos. If

Jen Lang:

you're ready to dive deeper head on over to we are Jen and

Jen Lang:

jane.com to continue the conversation.

Jane Stark:

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Conscious Convos for an Elevated World
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Jen Lang

Jane Stark - Passionate about energetic alignment and living life from a place of personal power, Jane is a heart-centred leader, certified health and life coach, and marketing strategist. She leads others to play bigger and feel lighter by helping them see and navigate their blocks and connect more deeply with themselves.

Jen Lang - Jen believes in the power and wisdom of women’s voices. She’s a guide for women who want to tune into and align their inner voice so their outer voice can shine; uniting physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual energies into a powerful voice ready to share your message.