Celebrating 50 Episodes!

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This is no halos here hosted by Jen Lang and Jane

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Stark, the place to inspire a change in your consciousness to

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elevate the world. We're to heart centered business owners

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nourishing our inner rebels while growing our respective

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businesses.

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No halos here is the result of bringing together an

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opera singer turn spiritual mentor and a marketing

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professional turned well being coached to meditate daily.

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Together, we unite physical, mental, emotional and spiritual

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energies into a powerful presence to lead, heal and

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inspire. We love exploring the shadowed edges of life, the

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universe and beyond through honest and thought provoking

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conversations. Let's dive in.

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Hi, everybody. Welcome to another episode of no Halo

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was here. It's our 50th episode. Sure is sure is yeah, sorry.

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That was probably really loud. As you can hear, I am releasing

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a cold right now. So I'm celebrating that fact that I am

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almost pretty much I go off on the road to recovery

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on the road to recovery. Yeah.

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Yeah. It's all good. So today, we thought we would riff

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on, like 5050 Episode 50 episodes,

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or we learned what we're where we're at. We're also

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launching our very first group program today. So it's a big

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day. Big day round here, gents. Releasing a cold. Yep, we're,

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we're on episode 50. And you have your serenity beta round

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starts this afternoon. Super exciting. Super exciting. So we

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don't have a big format plant. Who am I kidding? We never have

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a big structure to our episodes. But yeah, today, we really kind

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of were like, Let's just, let's just talk about this and do some

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reflection and ask kind of maybe do a bit of interview style.

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Questions for each of us. If you hear some rattling My dog is in

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our office or in my office. So oh, you can hear that. I can

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hear a little chains clinking. Okay. So 50 episodes in. We

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launched our podcast in April of 2021. Yep. We have consistently

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released an episode every week since then. So first of all, I

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actually just want to pat myself on the back. Maybe you too, I

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don't know. But for me, that's big. Like, I'm not always the

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most consistent person. Yeah, we've talked about this. You're

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not either. So let ourselves on the back here that like we have

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managed to every week. Get an episode out. We haven't missed a

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week.

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So yeah, like, um, except we did take a purposeful

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break over Christmas.

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Right? We did. Yeah, that was intentional and

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planned. Yep. Yeah.

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But we have, you know, did I well, I can't do it this

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week, are we we've shown and also celebrating big shout out

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for each other.

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Yeah, I was just gonna say that. That's, that's

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been the key as well, that's been beautiful. And this is not

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to say that people who don't, you know, deliver an episode

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consistently weekly, there's nothing wrong with that. You do

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you? I think for us, it was really that was something we set

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out to do. We really wanted to see if we could make this a

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consistent practice. And yeah, that's been one of the beauties

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of it is we've been able to support each other. So there

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have been weeks where we just, it would didn't work to record

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together, whether it was holidays, illness, whatever,

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summer so we've been able to switch each other off. And

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sometimes you've as you heard, if you listen regularly, you

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might hear a solo episode from Jen or myself. And that's yeah,

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we also don't really batch our episodes. No, we don't wait. In

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the beginning, we were ahead by about three or four episodes,

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which felt really good. That's kind of fallen off. But we've

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actually found our rhythm with

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under rhythm is showing up. I think and and doing much

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more than three or four in advance I don't think is

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practical or doable. It doesn't you know, we're we're week ahead

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right now. Yeah.

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So doesn't feel like we're very much about what's in

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the moment. For us, it feels like it. It flows when we talk

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about we may talk about like the context of the information we

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want to share is much for me, I know especially as an

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experiential person comes out much stronger when I am relating

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it to the experiences in my life in my world. And I think we've

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just found that flow, right where it just feels like okay,

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what's going on right now that we can talk about and bring to

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the podcast. So yeah, so that's been an interesting learning

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too, because I think, you know, we we kind of dabbled in this.

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Do we batch episodes? Do we try and record a whole bunch on one

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day and have a recording day, and it's just never really

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flowed for us?

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Yeah, we went I think well, that I think part of that

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is that 50 episodes of learning what works and feels good and

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feels right for us, and also being open to try new things.

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So, excuse me one sec, you have to take that over because I'm

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about to hop on mute myself.

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Here's another first what we saying so the learning,

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the learning piece has been trial and error. And I think

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that's the other thing we haven't, we've both been very

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open that this was going to be a trial and error that this was an

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experiment. I think, another place where we can recognize

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ourselves is that we have taken the pressure off, which,

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interestingly, has been a big conversation for both of us in

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the last couple of weeks and looking where we are putting

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pressure on ourselves to do things, whether that be in

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launching, you know, this group program or other things that

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we're doing in our collaboration together. And oh, it should look

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like this are all the pressures on to do that. And I know,

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again, I'm really deconditioning myself from that and looking at

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where am I putting all this extra pressure on myself to do

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things. And I'd say that we haven't really done that with

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the podcast, I've never really felt like we've been under

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pressure or really made it like, even with the recording every

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week, it didn't feel like oh my God, there's so much pressure to

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get another episode recorded. Sure, there were some weeks

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where we're like, oh, like, like, what are we gonna talk

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about? We got to get that episode out. But it didn't. It

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just didn't have that same heaviness. It's felt very

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organic, which is

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felt we Yeah, I think natural and also, giving

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ourselves permission to explore this process, in a different way

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has also been really beneficial. So I think we've, in addition to

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showing up for each other. I've showed up for the podcast, we've

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showed up for you, our audience that our listeners, knowing that

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there's, you know, all kinds of, you know, nuggets and fun, and

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maybe you look forward to having us in your ears each week, we

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don't know. But if you do, please tell us because that

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might be kind of nice to hear as well, celebrating 50 episodes.

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The other thing I wanted to celebrate was, let's see, we've

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had I just pulled up our stats, oh, well, I had my coughing

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fits. So

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nothing like multitasking blew

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up. And one of the things that we've had, we've had

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almost 1800 All Time downloads on these numbers may not be

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huge. But for our first 50 episodes with, I'm gonna say

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minimal marketing, we really haven't talked about it too

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much.

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No, this is very experimental for us, right? This

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is very much an organic. Let's try this and see what happens.

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So we didn't set out for any big specific, audacious number goals

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or things like that. No. So where are we going with that? So

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yeah, we've had 1800,

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we've had eight, almost 1800 Altarum downloads. Let's

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see, in the last 90 days, that's almost 400 downloads. Yeah, so

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that's, that's kind of cool. Because that's basically in the

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last three months. Almost, let's see 1800 quick math, that's

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almost a fifth, almost a fifth just in the last 90 days. So

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that's slightly, that's showing improvement, basically, and

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showing growth and showing. So I think what I'm trying to say

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here is that it all works. And based on this 5050 episode

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celebration piece, I say the takeaway is don't be afraid to

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experiment, and to take the pressure off yourself and play

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with what works

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and what doesn't work and let it you know, I

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think it's just as important to look at what doesn't work and

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what maybe feels like a quote unquote, failure. And learn like

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it's just, it's all information, right? It's just learning. So

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it's also interesting, we haven't for a little while, but

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I think you know, soon you and I will sit down and look at what

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topics you know what episodes are getting the most downloads

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and listens and whatnot to, to sort of understand what's

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resonating and what's not. But we also, again, we set out and

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as projectors, we're very much in this space of we need to put

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out what feels good to us. Yeah, in the moment. And I think

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that's also something that we have intentionally kind of

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decided that we're going to do like if it doesn't feel good,

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we're not forcing it.

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Yeah. We're gonna be following we're not really trend

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followers.

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No, no, that's why our Instagram is spotty and our

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social we're actually in this right now in this in discussions

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around like what, what are our marketing tactics or avenues? I

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don't even like the word tactics, and I'm a marketer, but

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But what are what are the avenues that feel good for us? I

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mean, this Morning Jen and I, we kind of set up big blocks of

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time to co work and record our podcast and do whatever needs to

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come up. So before hopping on recording this, we were having a

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conversation about, about some of the marketing. And you know,

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I asked Jen like, well, what, what are the things that we do

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that actually feel good while we're doing them? I think that's

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something that I'm really curious to dive into more and

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explore. And the podcast was one right, that was one of our top

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things were like, You know what? I really like recording the

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podcast. It's fun. It brings, it brings me joy.

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I like writing love letters.

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Yeah. Yeah, that's going that's working really

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well. And we've been tying the love letters on the podcast a

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little closer together. Lately, which has felt really good. So,

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you know, just really throwing up the rulebook is what we're

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doing.

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Yeah. I think these times call for stuff like that,

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though. Yeah, there's, I mean, projectors are also guides.

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Yeah. So we are meant to be throwing out the rulebook in

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many ways and fighting. We are the we're at that leading edge

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of new ways of interacting and new ways of bringing, sharing

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and showing wisdom with, with and to the world. So as we

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explore our projectionist for ourselves, we also share that

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those aspects with our audience and hope that, you know,

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whenever you pick up great, whatever isn't for you right

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now. Also great. Yeah, matter. Yeah. Yeah, no, thanks. No

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difference. Take what you want from and

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just knowing and that trusting that the right

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information will hit the right people at the right time. Yeah,

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what we share, right, like, and I'm curious. Okay, so one of the

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questions I wanted to ask you, and you can put this back at me,

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but is there anything after 50? episodes, what would reflecting

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back? What would you do differently? If anything?

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I think I don't know. It's kind of I think regret is

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too strong a word for something like this. Like, there's nothing

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I regret, no, yeah, that's folded everything. I think that

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trust in that everything unfolded the way it needed to in

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that process. I'm really happy that we launched with amplify

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you, for example, I think that was such a beautiful choice.

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That worked for us. And if you are thinking of launching a

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podcast, then definitely talk to Michelle and her team, because

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we were so supported all along the way. And we have been

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continued to be supported

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by salutely. That's been Yeah, I'm so glad we made

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that decision in the early days to hire an editor. And we

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actually hired AMPLIFi, you and Michelle's team as sort of a

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podcast coach, so they actually helped us do all of the

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beginning stuff when you're launching a podcast. As we

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quickly found out there's a lot more to it than just hopping on

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Zoom and recording. Right. There's there's all these other

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elements to get set up to get your podcasts actually up and

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out there and syndicated? Is that word? Yeah.

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I think so. And all that distribution channels.

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Yeah,

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that's what I mean. I feel like syndicated is more

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of like a radio word anyways. But so we hired them to help us

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get it out to the world, then we actually because, again, we

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wanted this to be a very organic process. And we wanted to learn

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through it. We actually took the editing in house very briefly.

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And Jen, you took on the actual putting like sound side of it

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and putting it all together, because you have that skill set.

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Yeah, we quickly learned that that was not the best, most

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effective use of our time. So that's another lesson. And maybe

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a little nugget here is just because you can do something

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doesn't mean you should do it.

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I think that's a good, that's a better way of

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describing it. Because again, I don't know if I would have done

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anything differently, because I kind of wanted to know how much

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time it would take to an energy it would take to process our

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podcast. I think, you know, when you have double audio tracks,

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it's slightly different. It's not actually that much more

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time, it's just a bit a bit more, slightly more complex. But

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what we discovered was that the distribution platforms, and the

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level of service provided by the by, you know, an editor and

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having the editor was far more value than actual the actual

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time of editing because it's not just the editing, it's the

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distribution is the following up. It's the creation of the

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graphics and all those in now you take on the graphics, but

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it's also I don't know There's just,

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yeah, there's been you think of right. So that's

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been, yeah, that's been worked really well for us.

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So love that. You know, like you've mentioned before, I

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love that word for starting for serenity today, the same day we

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record our 50th episode, I think that's just a beautiful Hallmark

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type of type of environment. And maybe you can hear the this

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celebration and excitement in definitely in my voice, but

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probably in both of our voices. Because it's I think it's just

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been an interesting journey these last couple years. A first

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of all, the meditation process together when that pandemic

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first broke out, and then launching the Podcast, the

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podcast, which has now led to our group program, and it's

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like, it's roughly around springs. So this is maybe

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something to note for us.

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Right, interesting. So this is the 50s. And this is

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March 3 today that we're recording this, it's gonna come

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out on March 15. But we launched it in April. So we're actually

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coming up on our one year anniversary of actually

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launching the podcast, actually,

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I'm pretty sure that we started that meditation process

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on March 15. March 13, or 15th it was that because COVID hit in

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March 2020. We had March of that. So I love finding these

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little patterns. Uh huh. Like,

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I just find that really interesting. You're

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right, essentially saying these things, right. I know, totally

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nerding out on this pattern and everything. Some people be like,

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Yeah, okay. It's just coincidence. Oh, no, I'm gonna

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go with like, no, they sent me do that. It's

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a fun. We liked it. We like to see patterns. Yeah.

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Yeah, that's an interesting observation. So

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yeah, so coming up on a year since we've launched it. Fear

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serenity launches. Today, we're going to be running the waitlist

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for the next round. If your serenity is going to open very

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soon as well. We're going to just start to run cohorts at

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this. Yeah. Which also feels really good and fun. But, and I

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think what you were saying was how Yeah, one thing led to the

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other led to the other led to the other, our 321. Countdown?

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Yep. Came in there where we can where we're working two to one.

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Yes, with clients. And it's all just kind of organically grown.

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I would have trying these different things and out of I

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think the the podcast has allowed us to continue to

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explore topics that we were already sort of exploring

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offline together. But it's allowed us to bring them to a

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different platform. And it's also allowed us to it's, or it's

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encouraged us to carve out I think more time in our actual

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work days, like if I look at the way this evolved, right? It was

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all of a sudden, were like, Okay, we need to actually set

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some time to record. Okay, we actually then also need to set

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aside some time to discuss what we're going to record and then

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creating. So we've just been creating more and more time in

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our schedules to be like, Okay, we need to get together on Zoom

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and talk about this or that. And that's how these programs came.

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Yes. Right. It was the conversations were not just

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Okay, let's it felt like it felt too limiting almost to be like,

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Okay, well, let's just talk about this on the podcast. And

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okay, let's record our podcast, there was just this bigger

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energy, where it's like, oh, my gosh, we need to go ahead. No

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finish. Go ahead. I

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was gonna say like, we need to keep building on the

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momentum of that moment. Yeah. I'm gonna mail delivery. It's

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the momentum in the moment, I think is one of those things to

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follow. And not shutting down that energy. And I think that's

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probably been an really interesting way to call it a

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lesson. But I really interesting learning from the last year is

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we've talked about following the energy before. So as we follow

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the energy, that means following the momentum and not shutting it

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down. And also, honoring those slow periods, and not trying to

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force it. And being aware of when that slow period is, is you

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self sabotaging. Or, it's like it's this finely nuanced place

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of, of momentum, forward momentum. And also observational

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awareness in the moment.

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And integration, maybe it's the word that's

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coming to maybe, yeah, like, you know, you get the forward

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momentum, and then things slow down. And I think we get kind of

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uncomfortable or dissatisfied. But really, what if that is

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actually just the time to integrate what you've just grown

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into. And we have to honor that space in the fact the more we

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can sit with that and be with that allow the integration to

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happen, the faster the next burst of momentum comes? Yeah.

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Yeah. Oh, that's a nice pattern. So maybe, I think for

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our listeners, if you don't necessarily pick attention to

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your energy levels. This would be I think, a big takeaway for

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both Jada and i is, as we communicate to you, our

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listeners, pay attention to your energy levels, you really do and

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work with them. Because you'll actually get more out of it.

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You'll have deeper restful integration periods, and you

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will have more effective momentum and energetic periods.

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Mm hmm. That's them. I

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have a thought and it's not coming out. So. Okay, I

Jane Stark: 00:20:36

was like, I know, I like the gents looking at me. Like you're

Jane Stark: 00:20:39

gonna say something. I'm like, Yeah, I am. It's not for me so

Jane Stark: 00:20:41

fully for like what you shared? Yeah, I mean, I think I don't

Jane Stark: 00:20:47

know if I have much more to say on that. You summed it up

Jane Stark: 00:20:50

nicely. Thank you. So. Okay. 50. So Dan, where do we want to go

Jane Stark: 00:20:56

from here?

Unknown: 00:20:57

Oh, good question. Where do you want to go from

Unknown: 00:21:00

here? Well, we have talked about are we going to say it in

Unknown: 00:21:03

public? I think we shouldn't say in public? should or shouldn't

Unknown: 00:21:07

healthy female relationships. Oh, this direction? Yeah. So

Unknown: 00:21:12

this came out of a podcast conversation we had a couple

Unknown: 00:21:14

weeks ago with Melissa and Catherine from the Yoni codes.

Unknown: 00:21:20

And you'll hear they're actually their guest episode was last

Unknown: 00:21:24

week, both of Yeah, both of us both

Jane Stark: 00:21:27

both of our episodes are would have been released on

Jane Stark: 00:21:31

March 8, International Women's Day. So yeah, it's a we it'll be

Jane Stark: 00:21:34

last week from when you guys hear this.

Unknown: 00:21:36

And so then Jane and I were reflecting on some of the

Unknown: 00:21:39

questions that they'd asked us, and we started looking at, well,

Unknown: 00:21:42

what what makes a healthy female relationship, whether it's in

Unknown: 00:21:45

business, or friendship, or otherwise? And how do we, how do

Unknown: 00:21:49

we not let the wounding or the inherited or the traumas or

Unknown: 00:21:52

whatever, get in the way of what is it like a fantastic

Unknown: 00:21:56

collaborative relationship?

Jane Stark: 00:21:58

Yeah, those were really good conversations. And

Jane Stark: 00:22:01

they was, we didn't It's funny, we, when we were a guest on

Jane Stark: 00:22:04

their, their podcast, we were going to talk about something

Jane Stark: 00:22:08

totally different, not just you and I, like the four of us had

Jane Stark: 00:22:11

kind of talked about, like loosely what we were going to go

Jane Stark: 00:22:14

on and be guests on. And they we hopped on and they're like so we

Jane Stark: 00:22:18

have a thought we have an idea, we'd really like to like Are you

Jane Stark: 00:22:22

are you open to kind of changing it up. And we really want to

Jane Stark: 00:22:25

talk about this, we want to understand more about how you

Jane Stark: 00:22:27

guys operate being asked Jen and I, in what we're doing together,

Jane Stark: 00:22:32

and we were game. And it turned into this really juicy

Jane Stark: 00:22:36

conversation and actually helped Jen and I unpack a little bit

Jane Stark: 00:22:41

more and reflect on our friendship and our collaboration

Jane Stark: 00:22:46

together over the last year in a bit. And so that seems to have

Jane Stark: 00:22:52

opened up something for us where we're really like, quite

Jane Stark: 00:22:55

fascinated by this. And also noticing that their seat like

Jane Stark: 00:23:00

how many I'm calling them like Duo's, with female Duo's, we're

Jane Stark: 00:23:05

seeing in business because yes, and it's Yeah, because it is

Jane Stark: 00:23:08

it's two women coming together, whether it's partnership, like

Jane Stark: 00:23:13

full on going into business together, or doing kind of more

Jane Stark: 00:23:16

what Jen and I are doing, where we're collaborating, we're

Jane Stark: 00:23:18

building this organic, sort of business, but we still each have

Jane Stark: 00:23:21

our own businesses and practices. And there's just

Jane Stark: 00:23:27

something that's really intrigued us around that and

Jane Stark: 00:23:29

how, how we how we operate in those realms. And so that's kind

Jane Stark: 00:23:36

of been what we started unpacking. And I think what

Jane Stark: 00:23:39

we're gonna

Unknown: 00:23:40

do is we're gonna be talking more about this, I

Unknown: 00:23:41

think, in the next definitely in the next 50 episodes,

Unknown: 00:23:44

definitely. Yeah. And it's also, you know, we're gonna have more

Unknown: 00:23:47

guests around that, I think it's important to have these

Unknown: 00:23:50

conversations because as we move through these times of

Unknown: 00:23:56

unplugging from who we all were as humans like and where we're

Unknown: 00:24:00

all headed. Again, this is the protector guiding moment, but

Unknown: 00:24:05

it's kind of letting it's it's not as simple as letting bygones

Unknown: 00:24:11

be bygones as the expression goes, but it's not letting your

Unknown: 00:24:17

wounding getting the weight get in the way of a potentially

Unknown: 00:24:21

amazing and world changing collaborative partnership,

Unknown: 00:24:25

whether it's two people, three people or four people. So yes,

Unknown: 00:24:29

this is doing your own work. And yes, this is working together.

Unknown: 00:24:33

And I think that Jane and I have we live we walk our talk, we

Unknown: 00:24:35

live, we live

Jane Stark: 00:24:37

and that's what we want to unpack because and

Jane Stark: 00:24:38

that's what Melissa and Catherine really dug into is

Jane Stark: 00:24:41

like, how does this look for you guys? What do you do? And that

Jane Stark: 00:24:45

was the reflections where we really had to sit back and we're

Jane Stark: 00:24:47

like, Yeah, we really do walk the walk and we really do our

Jane Stark: 00:24:51

own healing work. And we I mean, we just had we just had a

Jane Stark: 00:24:56

situation yesterday minor. Yeah, but we're in a conversation Jen

Jane Stark: 00:25:00

drops something on me that I wasn't really expecting. And

Jane Stark: 00:25:04

fair, I

Unknown: 00:25:05

did not do it very gracefully. So as I fully take

Unknown: 00:25:08

responsibility for but yeah, it was,

Jane Stark: 00:25:10

but then I had a strong reaction. So and it's

Jane Stark: 00:25:15

it's a small deal. But it's also a small deal because right away

Jane Stark: 00:25:18

like within an hour or two from that happening, I sent Jen a

Jane Stark: 00:25:22

message and just was like, Hey, I just want to clear the air

Jane Stark: 00:25:25

here. I know, I had like, really strong energy around that. And

Jane Stark: 00:25:28

my reaction was really strong. Like, I just need to like, let

Jane Stark: 00:25:32

you know and process kind of what was coming in and defuse

Jane Stark: 00:25:35

it. Yeah. And you know, same thing it was, that's when she

Jane Stark: 00:25:37

wrote back and she's like, totally, I felt it too. And

Jane Stark: 00:25:40

yeah, like, I recognize I kind of dropped a bomb on you. And

Jane Stark: 00:25:44

could have, you know, shared it in a different way. And it's

Jane Stark: 00:25:47

like, awesome, great, we can move on. But in a lot of

Jane Stark: 00:25:50

scenarios, and I've had it in the past too, like where I

Jane Stark: 00:25:54

wouldn't have even spoken up. And it's not that I would have

Jane Stark: 00:25:56

necessarily harbored that as like resentment, it would have

Jane Stark: 00:25:59

turned in something bigger. But it also is those little like

Jane Stark: 00:26:03

death by 1000 cuts, right? When we if we don't clear those

Jane Stark: 00:26:06

things quickly. And in the moment, it they can very easily

Jane Stark: 00:26:10

start to become bigger, because then there's another one and

Jane Stark: 00:26:13

another one and you're holding on to them.

Unknown: 00:26:16

So subconsciously or otherwise, yeah, might your mind

Unknown: 00:26:20

might say, Oh, I've let that go. But then actually inside, that's

Unknown: 00:26:24

why like, we both like, I'm so grateful. You thought you've

Unknown: 00:26:28

asked me before I was gonna box you I'd be like, I totally did

Unknown: 00:26:31

not say that gracefully, or in any clear way at all. It was

Unknown: 00:26:34

like, yeah, it was just like it was my clouded sick mind going.

Jane Stark: 00:26:40

Like, it really wasn't a big deal. But this is

Jane Stark: 00:26:42

where again, like just being able to like be like, oh, yeah,

Jane Stark: 00:26:45

this felt kind of awkward. Yeah, so you're in the air clearing,

Jane Stark: 00:26:49

but it takes it takes doing your own work to do that. It takes

Jane Stark: 00:26:55

really being like, they're not easy conversations to have,

Jane Stark: 00:26:58

whether it's in your own, like intimate relationship or in

Jane Stark: 00:27:02

friendships, or in business relationships, exactly right.

Jane Stark: 00:27:07

And it also takes trust for you like, like, I trust you, I knew

Jane Stark: 00:27:13

that you would be able to hear that. And that you would be able

Jane Stark: 00:27:17

to, like, we could just have that conversation and clear the

Jane Stark: 00:27:19

air. That's another important piece, right? The person that

Jane Stark: 00:27:22

you're sharing with elegant,

Unknown: 00:27:24

I think that's probably another 50 like 50 things to

Unknown: 00:27:28

celebrate is like the as this goes on the level of I'm gonna

Unknown: 00:27:34

say respect and integrity and our collaborative friendship and

Unknown: 00:27:39

partnership, whatever you want to call, it doesn't really

Unknown: 00:27:40

matter. Yeah.

Jane Stark: 00:27:41

And we don't know what we are. But it doesn't

Jane Stark: 00:27:43

really matter. I'm like, do collaboration.

Unknown: 00:27:46

I don't know. It's just whatever, it isn't matter. It is

Unknown: 00:27:50

what it is. It's just a beautiful friendship. And it's

Unknown: 00:27:52

so it's deeper than a beautiful friendship. But I think as we

Unknown: 00:27:54

move into these moments, it allows another level of depth of

Unknown: 00:28:00

integrity to to be within each of us. Yeah. And we know that

Unknown: 00:28:06

strengthens what each of us brings to the world, both

Unknown: 00:28:09

together and separately.

Jane Stark: 00:28:10

Yeah. And also, the I think the last one that maybe

Jane Stark: 00:28:20

I would share, that is how we are starting to find our own

Jane Stark: 00:28:24

roles within what we do. Yeah. And that's been really cool.

Jane Stark: 00:28:28

Right? Like, and finding this, this rhythm of like, okay, well,

Jane Stark: 00:28:35

do we both show up? Like even you know, we're like, in the

Jane Stark: 00:28:39

beginning days of the podcast, it's like, okay, we're doing

Jane Stark: 00:28:41

this together. And I think we even again, it wasn't even a big

Jane Stark: 00:28:44

Convo, but I think there was sort of this like, hey, well,

Jane Stark: 00:28:47

I'm happy to take this as a solo episode, if you're not

Jane Stark: 00:28:49

available. Are you good with that? Right? Because it's like,

Jane Stark: 00:28:52

so is this a podcast? Where we're the co host? And we always

Jane Stark: 00:28:55

show up together? Are we good? With like, yeah, you know, we

Jane Stark: 00:28:59

had to have those discussions. And then and finding those

Jane Stark: 00:29:03

roles, like you've taken on writing our love letters. And in

Jane Stark: 00:29:08

that rhythm, every week, I do our graphics, I do some of the

Jane Stark: 00:29:12

more like, behind the scenes stuff. And so the

Unknown: 00:29:15

design work, so which is not really behind the scenes,

Unknown: 00:29:18

that's the public

Jane Stark: 00:29:19

part. And that part isn't but some of the

Jane Stark: 00:29:21

discussions or the strategizing and the, you know, that stuff.

Jane Stark: 00:29:25

And so yeah, it's been kind of cool to find our way in that and

Jane Stark: 00:29:30

to find, and I think also, helping each of us think more

Jane Stark: 00:29:36

deeply into like the value that we bring to the the relationship

Jane Stark: 00:29:42

or the partnership without having to feel like Oh, is she

Jane Stark: 00:29:46

doing more than me, or is she this or is it okay, if I show up

Jane Stark: 00:29:49

like this

Unknown: 00:29:50

never even occurred to me like, again, I've had those

Unknown: 00:29:52

really open conversations around, like if I do more

Unknown: 00:29:55

videos, for example, which we probably will do in the future.

Unknown: 00:29:59

Like, we'll probably do some together. And I'll probably do

Unknown: 00:30:02

more on my own simply because I'm like, it's a really easy

Unknown: 00:30:04

format for me to communicate. And so, you know, Jane, you've

Unknown: 00:30:10

had that conversation both with me and in your own head is like,

Unknown: 00:30:13

Oh, am I, as equally valuable? If I'm not? Yes. Equally

Unknown: 00:30:18

visible? Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting conversation.

Unknown: 00:30:24

Whereas in business for yourself, like, or you are doing

Unknown: 00:30:26

a collaborative partnership, the division of how you think about

Unknown: 00:30:30

the labor and your perception of it. Yeah. Is Yeah,

Jane Stark: 00:30:35

it's really important, right? Because, and

Jane Stark: 00:30:38

that's been a big learning because exactly that like if one

Jane Stark: 00:30:40

person is more visible, do we need to be equally visible, like

Jane Stark: 00:30:44

all of these things. And really, what I love about the way we're

Jane Stark: 00:30:48

navigating, it is like, what feels good. And I really want

Jane Stark: 00:30:54

to, I really love some of the like, the bigger the strategy

Jane Stark: 00:30:58

and the getting, like some of these pieces together. And Jen's

Jane Stark: 00:31:01

like, awesome. Take that. Like,

Unknown: 00:31:03

I don't just tell him what I have to write. Yeah.

Jane Stark: 00:31:06

Right, tell me what I have to write or where I have

Jane Stark: 00:31:07

to show up. And because you're, we know that your zone of

Jane Stark: 00:31:11

genius. And one of the big things that you want to do is

Jane Stark: 00:31:13

build community and show up and teach and, and these kinds of

Jane Stark: 00:31:17

things. And so I'm and for me, I'm like amazing, do that, like,

Jane Stark: 00:31:21

that's where you shine. So really starting to learn. And

Jane Stark: 00:31:24

this has been a learning, I think, for us through this of

Jane Stark: 00:31:27

what are each of our zones of genius, and how do we support

Jane Stark: 00:31:30

each other in those areas and continue to lift each other

Jane Stark: 00:31:33

more, and make sure that we're not in this space of oh, if

Jane Stark: 00:31:36

one's doing something and the other one has to do it so that

Jane Stark: 00:31:38

we're equal. But that

Unknown: 00:31:40

see that because we've done the work on evac solves and

Unknown: 00:31:43

with ourselves and with each other. Yeah. So anyway. Yeah, I

Unknown: 00:31:49

think this feels like a good place to wrap it up.

Jane Stark: 00:31:51

So right place,

Unknown: 00:31:52

I'm celebrating 50 episodes celebrating. Launch of

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fear serenity. Stay tuned if you're interested in more of

Unknown: 00:32:00

your serenity, because there is more coming your way. Yeah,

Unknown: 00:32:03

waitlist coming soon. And next cohort starts again, soon. We

Unknown: 00:32:06

just have to finalize a date and then we'll share it here. If

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you're interested in receiving our love letters. Definitely do

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sign up on the links below. We'll put that there yet that

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will keep you hearing from us each week. It's usually like a

Unknown: 00:32:18

summarized riff on the podcast episode with a few other nuggets

Unknown: 00:32:23

inside. And I don't know if do you have anything else you want

Unknown: 00:32:26

to share? Say? Nope. Amazing. Thank

Jane Stark: 00:32:29

Yes, we did it. Who? Super excited to see where to

Jane Stark: 00:32:34

reflect back. See we're at at 100 episodes. Yeah, because

Jane Stark: 00:32:38

learning continues and sweet, great learning journey,

Unknown: 00:32:42

the process unfolds. Have an amazing day, everybody.

Jane Stark: 00:32:45

We'll see you next week or talk to you next week.

Jane Stark: 00:32:47

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